From: xander!!! . (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Mar 09 2006 - 16:47:29 PST
i'm kind of new to this list so i appoligize for getting into what sounds
like a well beaten up dead horse - so here's quickly where i'm comming
from.....i perform/show work at festivals often but mostly performance,
music, puppetry or theater festivals and not only is there not a culture of
'paying' to submit, but there is a sensibility that artists need to be paid.
(i've also put together screenings so have insight into and sympathy for
complaints about the organizational overload that's involved with producing
events) i just wonder why the culture around organizing festivals that
pertain to film (art) is different from the culture of other art/performance
festivals. maybe a lack of not-for-profit organizational infrastructure?
not a sensibility around community organizing that is a big part of many
underground music scenes?
>From: Douglas Katelus <email suppressed>
>Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>To: email suppressed
>Subject: Re: Entry Fee Rereredux
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:00:15 -0800
>It is true that entry fee's keep a festival afloat. But it it also an
>unfortunate truth that if more government money was going into the arts
>this would not be a necessity.
>One thing beyond what either of you has talked about are exorbitant entry
>fees. When a fee can run between $10-60?? that higher portion may have a
>little of what mister zander is talking about, or not maybe they fly and
>house all the filmmakers to the show free of charge (which I highly doubt,
>speaking hypothetically of course.)
>Yes and one more thing, entry fee's are not the only form of income a
>festival takes on. Not only are there admission prices (of which no
>filmmaker sees a dollar) and let us not forget sponsors particularly at
>those larger festivals that also seem to have higher entry fees. Strange
>coincidence I think.
>I feel we need to be aware of both sides of the story. A festival needs
>money to keep operating. But no film/video maker needs to go on exploited.
>just a few thoughts.
>>From: Jason Halprin <email suppressed>
>>Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>>To: email suppressed
>>Subject: Entry Fee Rereredux
>>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:06:55 -0800
>>Though I'm not surprised to see this pop up on Frameworks once again,
>>and don't wish to see if persist for long, where do you think your
>>entry fees go? Venues don't rent themselves, prints (and tapes) don't
>>mysteriously teleport from filmmaker to projectionist, and programs
>>don't always come from stolen paper.
>>I have never known a festival director who is well paid for what they
>>do, and I've known many more that are entirely unpaid.
>>A festival takes money to run, and if you don't want to pay an entry
>>fee to a particular festival, then you have made a valid choice to not
>>have your work screened there.
>>--- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>> > xander!!! . wrote:
>> > > what is up with 'entry fees' to film festivals, does anybody else
>> > > think that this is a perverted culture? like a weird pyramid scheme
>> > or
>> > > something corrupt?
>> > > wtf?
>> > I very much agree. You might as well flush your money down the
>> > toilet.
>> > -->jarrod whaley.
>> > filmmaker. videographer.
>> > web designer. educator.
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