From: jarrod whaley. (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Mar 11 2006 - 09:40:07 PST
Look, you're the one who called it a hobby.
-->jarrod whaley.
filmmaker. videographer.
web designer. educator.
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Jason Halprin wrote:
> --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>
>> So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
>> experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for
>> example?
>>
>> -->jarrod whaley.
>>
>
> Wow, that's a giant leap in logic. Both are hobbies, yes, but one is
> fishing and one is filmmaking. I would, however, argue that
> experimental filmmaking can be a very pleasuarble activity, and like
> fishing, contains stretches of inactivity, anticipation, frustration,
> and success.
>
> Every hobby (as well as every vocation) is unique. I know the reasons
> I make film are different than the reasons I paint, make music, play
> soccer, go hiking, read travel books, or cook desserts. What they have
> in common is that I don't earn any income from them, I do them because
> I enjoy them. The energy I put into each activity and the possible
> rewards are drastically different.
>
> -Jason Halprin
>
> --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>
>> So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
>> experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for
>> example?
>>
>> -->jarrod whaley.
>> filmmaker. videographer.
>> web designer. educator.
>> www.oakstreetfilms.com
>> www.shakingray.com
>> design.oakstreetfilms.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Halprin wrote:
>>
>>> >From the Oxford American Dictionary:
>>>
>>> hobby - an occupation that a person does for pleasure, not as his
>>>
>> main
>>
>>> business
>>>
>>> I never insuated that dedicating your life and energy to something
>>>
>> that
>>
>>> is not financially rewarding does cannot have serious rewards. I
>>>
>> just
>>
>>> mean that teaching, currating, working in a post house, working in
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> film/television industry, and other jobs that many on this list do
>>>
>> are
>>
>>> not making a living from your filmmaking. They are working a job,
>>>
>> your
>>
>>> filmmaking is supported by this other job.
>>>
>>> I personally find it insulting that the extremely hard work that
>>>
>> some
>>
>>> people have put in to create venues and organizations that promote
>>>
>> A/G
>>
>>> work is so easily dismissed as self-serving.
>>>
>>> -Jason Halprin
>>>
>>> --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jason Halprin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One of the basic facts that exists for many A/G film and video
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> makers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (in the US and elsewhere, though not everywhere) is that they
>>>>>
>> will
>>
>>>>> never recoup the costs that are associated with their work, let
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> alone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> turn it into a full-time profession. As such it is more
>>>>>
>> accuratley
>>
>>>>> described as a hobby, and hobbies are money-losing ventures.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Baloney. One might not accumulate riches on par with the Sultan of
>>>>
>>>> Brunei, but many "underground" or "avant-garde" filmmakers can and
>>>>
>> do
>>
>>>> scratch out a meager existence. It just takes a little creativity,
>>>> and
>>>> the willingness to realize that good work doesn't have to cost a
>>>> penny,
>>>> if necessary, to make.
>>>>
>>>> I find this "hobby" business of yours very insulting. Dedicating
>>>> one's
>>>> life and energy to an often financially unrewarding (but often
>>>> financially "livable") form of creativity is not on the same level
>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> engagement and/or social worth as collecting Star Wars action
>>>>
>> figures
>>
>>>> or
>>>> building model planes. Be careful with that glue, it's dangerous
>>>> stuff,
>>>> you know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you are against paying fees, look for free festivals. Or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> volunteer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> for one so that your labor may bring down the fees for that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> festival.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Write the grant proposals, talk to donors, make press releases,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> pass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> out flyers, get on the radio, do whatever it takes. It is
>>>>>
>> already
>>
>>>>> difficult for most of us the share our work with people we don't
>>>>> personally know, so if festivals are not a necessity, they are a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> luxury
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I believe is worth paying for.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you think it's worth paying for someone to potentially throw
>>>>
>> your
>>
>>>> work away and never tell you, then go ahead. Wipe your ass with
>>>>
>> $100
>>
>>>> bills, for all I care. I just happen to find Charmin to be much
>>>>
>> more
>>
>>>> cost efficient, not to mention less irritating to my sensitive
>>>>
>> bits.
>>
>>>> -->jarrod whaley.
>>>> filmmaker. videographer.
>>>> web designer. educator.
>>>> www.oakstreetfilms.com
>>>> www.shakingray.com
>>>> design.oakstreetfilms.com
>>>>
>>>>
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