From: Adam Hyman (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Mar 09 2006 - 22:25:09 PST
Hi all,
There's one point that hasn't been mentioned thus far. One reason (I think)
festivals charge a fee is to discourage people from sending in films that
they aren't serious about. There are usually too many submissions, and the
numbers can get really overwhelming if submission is free.
I personally don't think any of the submission fees go toward theatre rental
or paying artists; it goes to shipping, typing, paper, deck rental or
maintenance, office rental, and all the other stuff needed to log in tapes,
track them, and view them. Even paying curators a bit so they can make
enough time to watch everything. But I could easily be wrong on that last
point.
That all said, I don't think it's right to charge people to submit things
(besides the fee it costs the artist to make a dub and mail it to me), and
Filmforum doesn't charge anything. (And Filmforum isn't a "festival.") But
please don't send me anything right now - I'm rather behind in viewing, as I
have to work for a living.
Best regards,
Adam Hyman
Los Angeles Filmforum
On 3/9/06 4:47 PM, "xander!!! ." <email suppressed> wrote:
> i'm kind of new to this list so i appoligize for getting into what sounds
> like a well beaten up dead horse - so here's quickly where i'm comming
> from.....i perform/show work at festivals often but mostly performance,
> music, puppetry or theater festivals and not only is there not a culture of
> 'paying' to submit, but there is a sensibility that artists need to be paid.
> (i've also put together screenings so have insight into and sympathy for
> complaints about the organizational overload that's involved with producing
> events) i just wonder why the culture around organizing festivals that
> pertain to film (art) is different from the culture of other art/performance
> festivals. maybe a lack of not-for-profit organizational infrastructure?
> not a sensibility around community organizing that is a big part of many
> underground music scenes?
>
>
>
>> From: Douglas Katelus <email suppressed>
>> Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: Entry Fee Rereredux
>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:00:15 -0800
>>
>> It is true that entry fee's keep a festival afloat. But it it also an
>> unfortunate truth that if more government money was going into the arts
>> this would not be a necessity.
>>
>> One thing beyond what either of you has talked about are exorbitant entry
>> fees. When a fee can run between $10-60?? that higher portion may have a
>> little of what mister zander is talking about, or not maybe they fly and
>> house all the filmmakers to the show free of charge (which I highly doubt,
>> speaking hypothetically of course.)
>>
>> Yes and one more thing, entry fee's are not the only form of income a
>> festival takes on. Not only are there admission prices (of which no
>> filmmaker sees a dollar) and let us not forget sponsors particularly at
>> those larger festivals that also seem to have higher entry fees. Strange
>> coincidence I think.
>>
>> I feel we need to be aware of both sides of the story. A festival needs
>> money to keep operating. But no film/video maker needs to go on exploited.
>>
>> just a few thoughts.
>>
>> Douglas
>>
>>
>>> From: Jason Halprin <email suppressed>
>>> Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>>> To: email suppressed
>>> Subject: Entry Fee Rereredux
>>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:06:55 -0800
>>>
>>> Though I'm not surprised to see this pop up on Frameworks once again,
>>> and don't wish to see if persist for long, where do you think your
>>> entry fees go? Venues don't rent themselves, prints (and tapes) don't
>>> mysteriously teleport from filmmaker to projectionist, and programs
>>> don't always come from stolen paper.
>>> I have never known a festival director who is well paid for what they
>>> do, and I've known many more that are entirely unpaid.
>>> A festival takes money to run, and if you don't want to pay an entry
>>> fee to a particular festival, then you have made a valid choice to not
>>> have your work screened there.
>>>
>>> -Jason Halprin
>>>
>>> --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>>>
>>>> xander!!! . wrote:
>>>>> what is up with 'entry fees' to film festivals, does anybody else
>>>>> think that this is a perverted culture? like a weird pyramid scheme
>>>> or
>>>>> something corrupt?
>>>>> wtf?
>>>> I very much agree. You might as well flush your money down the
>>>> toilet.
>>>>
>>>> -->jarrod whaley.
>>>> filmmaker. videographer.
>>>> web designer. educator.
>>>> www.oakstreetfilms.com
>>>> www.shakingray.com
>>>> design.oakstreetfilms.com
>>>>
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