Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printer or S8 advice in Europe?

From: andrew lennox (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Jan 06 2011 - 14:51:55 PST


Is your super 8 acetate or polyester? a 16 polyester print would be more
durable/less prone to rip. also, with a 16 interneg you could strike more
prints for future shows. chances are your super 8 original would be pretty worn
down after one showing, unless that is what you want?
i wonder how well the motor of a super 8 projector hold up if you looped the
film throughout the room? certainly that works in 16.
technicolor made loopers a long time ago. it's a loop cassette type magazine.
it's not a wall projection, more like a personal viewer but maybe it is possible
to modify the magazine and run it with a normal super 8 project? just a guess.
some people have modified 16 flatbeds to work as contact printers. maybe you
could do the same with a super 8 flatbed but they are hard to come by.
i'm pretty sure i read in small format magazine that there is a lab in germany
and one in england that have super 8 contact printers. this was 2-5 years ago.
 i can try to dig up the magazine if you like? might take me awhile as i am
busy now and have no idea where it is off the top of my head. As far as I know,
dragon at black and white film factory has a super 8 contact printer. doubt he
uses it though and im not recommending to deal with that guy unless you are
if it were me, i would blow it up to 16 if you can. im not sure how it works
with A wind/B wind for that either?
im sure you can find a printer or find some kind soul to print it for you. i'd
do it for you myself but i have to leave home for an extended period in a couple
of weeks. let me know if you are stuck and i can ask a few friends if they'd be
willing to do it for nothing or next to nothing. you'd have to pay for stock,
processing and printing. as long as it's only 50ft, right? that's not too much
to ask, a couple hours on the printer isnt killer.
good luck!

From: Freya <email suppressed>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:38:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printer or S8 advice in Europe?

Firstly, I seem to remember that Nowhere have a really nice optical printer that
will go from S8 to 16mm. It would mean flying into London but there are low
budget flights very cheaply for that.?

As to the rest, personally if it was me, I would make the loop 16mm. I see what
you mean that you would have to suddenly deal with 100ft instead of 50ft but
OTOH I get the impression that 16mm splices hold together better because of the
extra surface area. Maybe it's moot if you only have one splice but... ...and as
for the speed, playing back at 16fps might cause your film to have a very slight
slomo effect but I expect it won't be that noticable. Unless yr 16mm projector
only runs at 24? Running at 16 might actually might make your print last a
little longer too. Personally I'd actually like a slight pitch slower but thats

I've never made a looper, so I have no idea about this, but could it be
possible to modify your looper so that the loop still travels around the room?

Anyway I would go 16mm but maybe someone else would do things differently?



--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Diana Arce <email suppressed> wrote:

>From: Diana Arce <email suppressed>
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printer or S8 advice in Europe?
>To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
>Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 7:57 PM
>Dear Jeanne,
>Thank for your response! I was thinking about shooting it off the wall and I've
>done this before 16 to 16, but I am a bit confused if it will work out well
>being that the S8 is shot at 18fps.
>And as far as worth it goes, I guess the stability of the loop. I was working
>on building a looper, but we kind of fell in love with the idea of hanging the
>film throughout the space and taping it end to end. Sort of as a visual element
>in the room. It's 15m long (50 feet). I was thinking S8 might not be more likely
>to tear.
>Are there any labs anymore making S8 prints from Positives for reasonable
>prices, specifically in Europe?
>On 05.01.2011, at 23:52, jeanne LIOTTA wrote:
>You could always shoot it off the wall onto 16mm color neg, process normally and
>then you will have a work print to make a loop from and a negative to make more,
>no optical printer necessary. Depending on yr subject matter ? should be fine.
>Nothing is wrong with super 8 as a loop per se, what do you mean by "worth it"?
>You might want to think about the length-- are you building a looper or will you
>just run it through the projector taped end to end? There is always wear and
>tear on film loops,I dont think it's less for Super8 than 16mm.
>>On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Diana Arce <email suppressed> wrote:
>>HI Frameworkers,
>>>Happy New Year! A friend and I are working on a project which we shot
>>>on Super 8 Ektacrome. We unfortunately didn't really think out the
>>>entire project and in the end decided to use the film as a loop. We
>>>had the Ektacrome processed normally and I got in contact with Andec
>>>to find out how much making a copy would cost, which they priced at
>>>300 Euro regardless of if our end copy would be 16 or S8. I usually
>>>only shoot 16 and didn't realize that reversal answer prints were not
>>>possible anymore (at least according to Andec).
>>>So here are my questions? First, is it even worth it to loop S8 for an
>>>installation or does it make more sense, in regards to wear or
>>>whatever, to do a blow up to 16. Second, does anyone know anyone in
>>>Berlin with an Optical Printer who would be interested in helping
>>>another filmmaker out? Or does anyone know of another lab in Europe
>>>that could make a copy of our S8 print for a better price?
>>>Thanks so much,
>>>Diana Arce
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