Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printer or S8 advice in Europe?

From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Jan 06 2011 - 12:38:49 PST

Firstly, I seem to remember that Nowhere have a really nice optical printer that will go from S8 to 16mm. It would mean flying into London but there are low budget flights very cheaply for that.?

As to the rest, personally if it was me, I would make the loop 16mm. I see what you mean that you would have to suddenly deal with 100ft instead of 50ft but OTOH I get the impression that 16mm splices hold together better because of the extra surface area. Maybe it's moot if you only have one splice but... ...and as for the speed, playing back at 16fps might cause your film to have a very slight slomo effect but I expect it won't be that noticable. Unless yr 16mm projector only runs at 24? Running at 16 might actually might make your print last a little longer too. Personally I'd actually like a slight pitch slower but thats me.

I've never made a looper, so I have no idea about this, but could it be possible to modify your looper so that the loop still travels around the room?

Anyway I would go 16mm but maybe someone else would do things differently?



--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Diana Arce <email suppressed> wrote:

From: Diana Arce <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printer or S8 advice in Europe?
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 7:57 PM

Dear Jeanne,
Thank for your response! I was thinking about shooting it off the wall and I've done this before 16 to 16, but I am a bit confused if it will work out well being that the S8 is shot at 18fps.
And as far as worth it goes, I guess the stability of the loop. I was working on building a looper, but we kind of fell in love with the idea of hanging the film throughout the space and taping it end to end. Sort of as a visual element in the room. It's 15m long (50 feet). I was thinking S8 might not be more likely to tear.
Are there any labs anymore making S8 prints from Positives for reasonable prices, specifically in Europe?
On 05.01.2011, at 23:52, jeanne LIOTTA wrote:
You could always shoot it off the wall onto 16mm color neg, process normally and then you will have a work print to make a loop from and a negative to make more, no optical printer necessary. Depending on yr subject matter ? should be fine.  Nothing is wrong with super 8 as a loop per se, what do you mean by "worth it"? You might want to think about the length-- are you building a looper or will you just run it through the projector taped end to end? There is always wear and tear on film loops,I dont think it's less for Super8 than 16mm.
 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Diana Arce <email suppressed> wrote:
 HI Frameworkers,
 Happy New Year! A friend and I are working on a project which we shot
 on Super 8 Ektacrome. We unfortunately didn't really think out the
 entire project and in the end decided to use the film as a loop. We
 had the Ektacrome processed  normally and I got in contact with Andec
 to find out how much making a copy would cost, which they priced at
 300 Euro regardless of if our end copy would be 16 or S8. I usually
 only shoot 16 and didn't realize that reversal answer prints were not
 possible anymore (at least according to Andec).
 So here are my questions? First, is it even worth it to loop S8 for an
 installation or does it make more sense, in regards to wear or
 whatever, to do a blow up to 16. Second, does anyone know anyone in
 Berlin with an Optical Printer who would be interested in helping
 another filmmaker out? Or does anyone know of another lab in Europe
 that could make a copy of our S8 print for a better price?
 Thanks so much,
 Diana Arce
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