Re: RULES was Re: FramWorks, Obama, Satantango, politics, etc.

From: Zev Robinson (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Sep 08 2008 - 09:18:55 PDT

Amen, James.

Rules, Jack, do not necessarily come from above, and one can enter into them freely, as in a baseball or chess game, and if you don't follow the rules, you either a bad sport or a cheat (or the game falls apart). If you smoke when you enter a home where the host asks you not to, you're not being subversive, you're being selfish and inconsiderate. Most lists don't allow sexist or racist remarks, and doing otherwise isn't being subversive.

Posting on Obama being better than McCain is neither subversive nor experimental.

This is not an experimental list, it is a list on the topic of experimental film.


So, whose going to win the pennant this year?

Zev Robinson

James Cole wrote:
"But surely 'rules' 'from above' are antithetical to experimental film."

Can I make a post about the Red Sox, then?  Dustin Pedroia is really swinging a big stick as of late.

I guess I don't really see how there can be any debate about whether or not this is germane to the list.  Does anyone here think Obama knows who Joyce Wieland is?  

I signed up for a list on the discussion of experimental film.  In the last few months, I've gotten that thing about joining some social networking site, something asking me to send money to Nigeria, and now political propaganda.  Does any of this really wall under the category of "subversive," Jack?  I mean, hell, I wouldn't want to receive emails about the new Coen Brothers movie, and I certainly didn't give out my email so I could be subject to campaign material.  Certainly I don't think any of the people who "broke" the rules should be kicked off the list or put in jail or anything (that would indeed be "absurd"); but a whole mess of people gave out their private email addresses so they could receive discussion about experimental film, not so they could get information about Democrats, Republicans, Lyndon Larouche, etc.  It would be nice if people were respectful of that.

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Jack Sargeant <(address suppressed)> wrote:
If we are going to follow rules (absurd) then surely "subversive" would
cover at least some political statements.

But surely 'rules' 'from above' are antithetical to experimental film.


>         There are supposed to be rules about this list -
>  Frameworks is "an international forum on experimental film, avant-garde
> film, film as art, film as film, or film as visual poetry; film's
> expressive qualities, aside from or in addition to its storytelling
> capacity. Any genre of experimental film, such as film diary, found
> footage, abstract, flicker, lyric, subversive, expanded, etc., can be
> discussed, as well as those films which fall into the cracks between the
> genres, or those not covered by other lists.

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__________________________________________________________________ For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <(address suppressed)>.

__________________________________________________________________ For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <(address suppressed)>.