Re: [Frameworks] optical printing questions - working in B&W

From: andrew lennox <>
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:44:22 -0700 (PDT)

Hi John,

I've never used 7363 for optical printing. in my experience with the stock, the
blacks are much denser than 7302, for the purpose of doing mattes. this leads
to be believe that it may have less latitude? either way, both those stock will
increase your contrast considerably. i'm not sure what you are looking for but
i would consider blowing up to a master positive (7366) to preserve details.
 especially as you want to strike an interneg from that new master pos and then
make your release prints. that's a number of new generations. i noticed that
you have a account so i'm assuming you're in canada? sebastjan at
niagara custom lab has a decent cache of 7366 so contact him and see if he can
spool you down some if you are interested in doing a comparative test.
i assume by tinted prints that you mean printing b/w neg to colour print? if
so, i have done this and seen it in the works of others. it doesnt look great.
 you can get it tinted to whatever colour you want. i've done a sepia mimic
colour and a blue to mimic cyanotype. the colour is kinda interesting but the
contrast is considerably flatter than printing the same bw neg to bw print.
oh, i think alexander larose used 7363 for optical printing in his film 930. im
not 100% here's a link anyway:

good luck,

From: John Woods <>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <>
Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 11:42:57 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] optical printing questions - working in B&W

I've also got a couple questions about printing but with working with B&W
material. I've got some Super 8 Plus-X that was hand processed in D-76
to negative that I am interested in blowing up to 16mm. There are some optical
effects that I want to do with it (freeze frames and step printing). I've got
some 7363 on hand to work with. I'm wondering whether it would be better to do a
straight blow up to a stock like 7302 (or other stock) and then print from that
onto the 7363 to create the effects and an internegative or to do it the other
way around, & blow up to 7363 and then print to 7302?
I intend to do some tests with the 7363 but would appreciate any advice on S8
blowups. My printing experience is limited and only with available camera
stocks, I don't have experience with print stocks. I would also be interested to
hear from anyone who has used a colour print stock to create tinted prints.

Many thanks.

 From: Christopher Harris <>
Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 4:12:26 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] optical printing questions

 Hello all,

I would like to make optical prints of color originals but before I begin I want
to make sure I don't make things more difficult than necessary. I have printed
to 7399 once upon a time but I know that stock is long gone so I can't quite
wrap my head around the workflow for color. Can anyone suggest optimal workflow
and color print stocks to use (if there are any)?

Briefly: I plan to shoot color neg and have work-prints made at a lab. Next I
want to optically re-print the lab produced work-prints with color filters but I
have no idea what stock I should use in the optical printer's camera. Oh, and I
plan to finish with sound on film and I'll be shooting all 16mm.

Any advice?



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