From: Tom Whiteside (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jan 25 2011 - 07:18:53 PST
There is a correlation in soundtrack music - most audiences have experienced the music of avant-garde composers such as Ligeti only at the movies, and only when really bad things are about to happen in outer space, or the exorcism isn't going well, etc. That is to say - 20th century avant-garde techniques (film or music) tend to show up in mainstream cinema only when things are wrong. It makes sense - the avant-garde was, in part, an assault on the mainstream.
- Tom
From: email suppressed] On Behalf Of Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:04 AM
To: email suppressed
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Drama films and the Avant-Garde
I agree with Roger, although I haven't seen Irma Vep. But it's true for most avant-garde techniques seen on traditional narratives nowadays. From Minority Report to Seven to the Lost TV series, almost everytime there is something that represents the mind's thoughts and personal visions it is of disturbing events or has reference to disturbing mental reactions. I am impressed at how much of the Brakhage aesthetic is used in commercial media and it always has this sense of disturbance and derrangement. I suppose it has to do with what Lev Manovich refers to the mainstream absorbing avant-garde techniques to create "new realities". Whereas we don't see flares necessarily in real life (like in a Brakhage film), this techniques are brought into the mainstream and used to represent experiences. And since a flare is just not what the mainstream uses on a daily basis to represent reality, it is then given a disturbing connotation.
Jorge L.
> From: email suppressed
> To: email suppressed
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:48:43 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Drama films and the Avant-Garde
>
> The final scene of Irma Vep has lots of etching and other direct animation techniques. (It's interesting/problematic, because the avant-garde section is figured as the product of a deranged genius in the context of a narrative film that's otherwise formally much more conservative.)
>
> ...
> Roger
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 5:17 AM, alrees wrote:
>
> > Dear Frameworkers,
> >
> > Can anyone suggest any drama/fiction/narrative films, from the last ten
> > years or so, that include 'avant-garde' sequences, references, tricks and
> > tropes? I'm looking for examples from both mainstream and arthouse
> > contemporary cinema movies that have avant-garde devices of any kind -
> > flicker, camerawork, blur, rapid cuts, flare-out, anything like that. All
> > suggestions will be gratefully received!
> >
> > Al Rees
> >
> > FrameWorks mailing list
> > email suppressed
> > http://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > FrameWorks mailing list
> > email suppressed
> > http://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>
> _______________________________________________
> FrameWorks mailing list
> email suppressed
> http://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
_______________________________________________
FrameWorks mailing list
email suppressed
http://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks