Re: [Frameworks] cameraless films...or ?

From: Shelly Silver (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Dec 25 2010 - 09:47:50 PST

yes, it's true very true roger, i was aware/nervous about this when i
sent it, that's why i put 'play well together.' i unfortunately don't
have enough time/resources to spend an entire class on various
performed camera-less films. the frampton brings up a huge range of
issues (among them sitting in the dark w/strangers) not only having to
do with the fact that it's camera-less and i was hoping to expand out
from there. i also like the idea of starting off with the idea of
reperformance (speaking in someone else's voice twice removed).

i guess i'm casting the net wide, looking for experiments in thinking
about film - i could also happily show a warhol in the mix (endurance/
movement/non-movement). again a question of accessibility and time
and framing.


On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Beebe,Roger W wrote:

> Shelly,
> I was thinking that the subject line might actually be sending
> people in the wrong direction. If you were simply looking for
> "cameraless" films, then there'd be a million suggestions (starting
> with Len Lye, Norman McLaren, Harry Smith, et al.). But the
> Frampton is really about "filmless films," which it seems to me is a
> really different matter. A cameraless film is something that you
> could still "get a copy" of; a "filmless film" has no body, is all
> time and light and performance, so there'd be no way to simply get a
> copy (like the Gibson/Recoder projector performances--at best you
> could get a "documentation"). I do really like the suggestion of
> the Morgan Fisher, but it's hard to come up with a long list of
> films that are reproducible that are true to the spirit of
> Frampton's musings on light & projectors. (Of course, that
> distinction could be an interesting part of the class discussion.)
> Two (more) cents,
> Roger
> On Dec 25, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Shelly Silver wrote:
>> Thanks! Do you know where I might get a copy of this?
>> Shelly
>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Madison Brookshire wrote:
>>> Projection Instructions by Morgan Fisher.
>>> Madison Brookshire
>>> Los Angeles
>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Beebe,Roger W <email suppressed>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Get Luis Recoder and Sandra Gibson to come to your class and do
>>>> some projector performances! (That'd be the obvious fit, but I
>>>> don't know how realistic it'd be to try to make that happen.)
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Roger
>>>> On Dec 24, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Shelly Silver wrote:
>>>>> dear all:
>>>>> i'm doing a class with a reperformance of Hollis Frampton's 'A
>>>>> Lecture' as its centerpiece. Any suggestions of films that would
>>>>> play
>>>>> well with this?
>>>>> best!
>>>>> shelly
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