From: gregg biermann (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Aug 06 2009 - 09:06:59 PDT
This isn't a time for Christian charity towards Fox. In the U.S. the
arts are *always* a target -- esp. during an economic decline. For
example I've just been appraised by the Arts Council in State of New
Jersey that all individual artists grants have been suspended
indefinitely. The SF Cinematheque is one of the key institutions that
supports what we all do and I'd hate to see it lose $25,000 in federal
grant money because of this kind of manipulation. That could be a death
blow for an arts organization like Cinematheque. I would hope that this
is as obvious to us as it is to Fox: power does not depend on repression
but on creating consent by manipulating discourses and in the end
controlling what people can know.
> You need to learn to turn the other check. ;)
> Fox isn't really a problem. If everyone reacted the way I guess most
> Frameworkers do to that clip (okay I laughed - I don't care anymore,
> it's just fun) then there'd be no problem and there'd be no Fox.
> You see, I really think the eggS came first.
> Bjorn Lundgren
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Conrad" <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox
>> Wake up!
>> I agree with Gregg Biermann. Fox is the ENEMY; the ENEMY; the ENEMY.
>> Not that your slushy liberalism is going to have any effect (except
>> stiffening the spines of some of us who see things more clearly), but
>> your remarks certainly represent the final disintegration of
>> "experimental" into complete meaninglessness. "Art" as well, it
>> On Wed 08/05/09 1:47 PM , Lundgren email suppressed sent:
>>> I think the clip is an experimental film in it's own sense.
>>> We should always have a wide definition of art, and we should try to
>>> interprete any work of art as a good work of art.
>>> Therefore I see no other thing to do than to consider this a really
>>> experimental satire.
>>> BjÃ¶rn Lundgren
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Stark" BEAM.NET>To:
>>> email suppressed>Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox
>>> > At 06:19 PM 8/2/2009 -0700, Chuck Kleinhans
>>> >>They also seem to not grasp the fact that the
>>> film was made in 1975 and is >>not being funded by the NEA.
>>> > Actually I think they were very carefully
>>> creating this confusion. If you > listen closely they do state that
>>> the funding
>>> went to the "theater" that > was planning to show the film, not the
>>> itself, but that goes by very > quickly and they made sure to blur that
>>> distinction with the "shocking" > imagery and voice-over details.
>>> > I think the Fox team is actually very smart and
>>> crafty, and has a lot of > fun making stuff up.
>>> > Scott
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