Re: FrameWorks, Obama, Satantango, politics, etc.

From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Sep 09 2008 - 09:38:51 PDT

Dear Fred,
  Hmmm, I guess I shouldn't have posted such a nice reply to you.
  Clearly my forgive and forget kind of attitude is perceived as weakness by some. Noted.

  I'm not clear on your obsession on my age or why you keep asking me that question. I'm not keen on giving you any details about my life as I have quite frankly been creeped out by your attempts at internet stalking and the innapropriate messages that you have written to me off list. The question would be more why the hell do you want to know my age and what business is it of yours anyway?

  I'm not sure what you think age has to do with sex or gender but generally there is a roughly equal number of guys and girls born every year. If you are hoping to relate my age to global or local temprature records then I'm afraid you will find out that the whole temperature/gender thing is basically a myth, at least for humans. Maybe it works for snakes such as yourself tho.

  To clear up any confusion tho, yes it is true, I totally am a gay man masquerading as a woman, spot on. In fact I'm sure I have a much bigger dick than you do. In real life I'm a truck driver based in Canton Ohio.
Obviously if I was really a girl I would immediately fall for your charms I'm sure but I just don't think your my kind of guy. I'm looking for a real man like me. Maybe a sailor boy or that cute guy from the village people, he was hot.

  Anyway, I'm glad you have revealed the truth about me and I don't have to keep up this charade any longer. It was fun at first but it was so hard living a lie. Maybe now it has been revealed that I'm really a man people will respect the craft behined my films more and see me as a serious artist. Hell I'm going to resolve right now to start shooting on a proper mans format, 16mm for me from now on!

  So no, you and your friends have not yet driven me from the list. I'm stronger than you think.

  Rock on!


Freya [biggus dickus]

--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Fred Davidson <email suppressed> wrote:

> From: Fred Davidson <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: FrameWorks, Obama, Satantango, politics, etc.
> To: email suppressed
> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 4:09 PM
> I thought that maybe we had got rid of you Freya. No such
> luck
> huh? I thought that maybe you had found a way off the list.
> Santantango didn't do it for you? Nothing else did
> either? Huh? I
> think you're a guy you know. I think you are guy and
> that's why you
> won't tell me how old you are. I think that's why
> you won't tell me
> how old you are when I try to put the make on you. You are
> some kind
> of queer guy masquerading as a girl. Aren't you Freya?
> Instead of
> posting to this list why don't you get a job as a two
> faced dancer
> like Didik Nini Thowok aka Didik Hadi Prayitno and let out
> your
> creative juices that way?* Or if that don't work for
> you why don't you
> go defenestrate yourself? The composer Richard Maxfield did
> you know.
> Or maybe you don't know. He did it the heavy-handed
> way. He was a
> friend of La Monte Young. You've heard of La Monte
> Young, haven't you
> Freya? Is anybody here a friend of La Monte Young? How
> about you Ton'?
> Have you ever heard of La Monte Young Anthony?
> Love,
> Fred
> *Barbarians, Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl, prod. Gene
> Schwartz, New
> York, SP-2033, 1966.
> On Sep 9, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Freya wrote:
> > Sorry I've not had a chance to write back before
> but I've been
> > dealing with a situation where virtually every
> computer based piece
> > of equipment in my house decided to malfunction
> simultaneously and
> > in spectacular ways, including the failure of my
> network connection,
> > a strange sort of field collapse that changed all the
> colours on my
> > monitor to be almost the negative of normal and the
> failure of the
> > video editing computer to boot properly amongst other
> stuff. This
> > morning everything has decided to work again!???
> Anyway I've not had
> > time to post because of dealing with stuff.
> >
> > I knew you all wanted to know that! ;)
> >
> > Fred Camper! It is good to see you posting and
> participating here
> > again, and I hope we will see more of it!
> >
> > I'm sure it was you who has spoken of the signal
> to noise ratio here
> > in the past. I felt it was a realy good analogy. In
> sound it's often
> > found that you can't hear the background noise and
> hiss so easily
> > when there is more actual music or content being
> transmitted over
> > the system.
> >
> > So to you, and anyone else here who feels slightly
> similar I would
> > say "be the change you want to see!".
> It's up to YOU to talk and
> > discuss intelligent things and to invite others to do
> the same. To
> > start the dialogue you would like to see and engage in
> that
> > conversation yourself instead of engaging in the
> nonsense and trivia
> > that other people may be posting. As you yourself have
> implied, you
> > have lots of knowledge on this subject and are well
> informed in the
> > matters. So come here and share that knowledge instead
> of waiting
> > for someone else to give you more. By sharing
> knowledge you create
> > more well informed people who might then have a better
> ability to
> > offer the kind of dialogue you desire.
> >
> > Of course this isn't going to stop people who are
> plain
> > intrinsically irritating from being intrinsically
> irritating, they
> > are what they are and I guess learning to ignore those
> people or get
> > used to their weirdness and foibles is part of the way
> things are in
> > life.
> >
> > In reply to your post Fred, here are some more things
> I thought
> > might be worth thinking about in a similar vein.
> >
> >> I prefer to read decently written posts that are
> well
> >> informed. Having
> >> seen "Satantango" twice, complete, and
> on film, I
> >> don't need to read a
> >> post from someone who has seen an hour or so of it
> on
> >> video. What's
> >> great about FrameWorks is that so many people here
> have
> >> specialized
> >> knowledge of various aspects of experimental
> cinema. What
> >
> > That may be true but have you stopped to think that
> maybe they need
> > to read YOUR posting on what you think about
> Satantango? You have
> > been lucky enough to see the film TWICE on a real film
> print. Thats
> > actually a rare opportunity and you are in a
> privelaged position in
> > that way. When someone posts saying that they have
> barely seen the
> > film, it's actually kind of an invitation for
> those with greater
> > knowledge to step in and to say why they love it, or
> why it's
> > actually important. Or why they hate it and find it to
> be 7 hours of
> > tedium or whatever. It's an invitation for a well
> informed view,
> > whatever perspective they may have on it. All you have
> told us is
> > you have seen it. I'm guessing you liked it as you
> watched it twice
> > unless you like to torture yourself or were confused
> about it the
> > first time but beyond that you have said little about
> it. In fact
> > I've actually said more about the film than you
> have which is a very
> > sorry state of affairs!
> >
> >> wrecks the
> >> list is people posting opinions about topics they
> don't
> >> know much about,
> >
> > The sad truth is that experimental film is a topic
> about which there
> > is limited knowledge in circulation, so there will be
> many people
> > posting to some extent about topics they don't
> know much about. In
> > fact surely that is an important role of the list
> here, to share
> > knowledge? For myself I think it would be a far lesser
> list if it
> > was entirely populated by people who knew everything
> about
> > experimental film and slapped eaxh other on the back
> about how
> > knowledgable they were and treated it as an exclusive
> private
> > members club full of those in the know! Of course
> maybe it is a bit
> > too much in the other direction right now, but I'm
> sorry to have to
> > say that this is a symptom of the state of
> experimental film these
> > days. Even those with a real and genuine intrest of
> the subject have
> > limited knowledge.
> >
> > The list essentially just reflects the state of things
> with
> > experimental film.
> >
> > If you aren't happy with that situation, it is up
> to you to try and
> > change it, you have the knowledge to share with people
> and
> > presumably there are others on this list who also have
> this
> > knowledge as you speak of having had great discussions
> here nearly
> > 10 years ago. If you start the kind of discussions you
> would like to
> > see then I'm sure you will get more of these
> postings in return.
> > There are definitely people still making postings
> closer to what you
> > describe such as some of the threads on film
> restoration which are
> > often filled with all kinds of historical, and
> technical facts and
> > just plain intresting trivia.
> >
> >> plus personal trivia. If everyone remembered that
> a
> >
> > To a certain extent I disagree strongly with you here.
> I actually
> > like a little of the trivia of peoples lives or that
> people express
> > things about themselves, as opposed to things being
> cold and dry,
> > just as I lean more in the direction of what Stan
> Brakhage described
> > as personal cinema as opposed to the concerns of
> materialist film
> > etc. The incidental trivia that people drop by, make
> the people more
> > real to me and I have a love of people and their
> different lives
> > perspectives and foibles. I smile when I see the
> various characters
> > on this list doing their certain things or expressing
> their
> > perspectives that they are especially caught up in.
> I'm sure we are
> > all aware of various characters on the list and are
> often "heres so
> > and so again doing their thing". In fact I'm
> sure it's certain
> > people on this list who especially annoy you and you
> could easily
> > filter these people out of your inbox because it will
> often be the
> > same people doing those things! ;)
> > You could create a folder called annoying, a bit like
> the spam
> > folder that most people have in their mail, only for a
> slightly
> > different purpose.
> >
> > If it helps you to sympathise at all, I annoy myself
> to some extent
> > too.
> > Not the trivia but the slightly strange compulsion to
> turn
> > everything into some strange and occasionaly boring
> narrative. I
> > think it might be something to do with growing up with
> creative
> > writing as a form of expression and communication as a
> child, or
> > maybe it's some kind of perspective on life as a
> series of stories.
> > Sometimes I'm not aware that I'm doing it at
> all, other times I'm
> > painfully aware and somewhat annoyed by it and asking
> myself "why am
> > I doing this?". *shrug* Life is full of learning
> things about
> > yourself and others.
> >
> > There are also OTOH times when I'm okay with the
> fact I do that
> > tho! :)
> >
> > Looking forward to more well informed, knowledgeable
> and intelligent
> > posts from you Fred.
> >
> > Share the knowledge.
> >
> > love
> >
> > Freya
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at
> <email suppressed>.
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at
> <email suppressed>.


For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.