Re: RULES was Re: FramWorks, Obama, Satantango, politics, etc.

From: JEFFREY PAULL (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Sep 08 2008 - 16:57:22 PDT


" Does anyone here think Obama knows who Joyce Wieland is? "

that's not as important as the fact that WE know who both are, and
putting those two seemingly unrelated names together could lead us to
consider otherwise hidden dissonances or consonance because of the surprise juxtiposition of those two.

Hey, anybody: think it would be possible to make an experimental film using Obama and Weiland together in some way?


On Mon 08/09/08 08:41 , James Cole email suppressed sent:
> "But surely 'rules' 'from above' are antithetical to
> experimental film."
> Can I make a post about the Red Sox, then? Dustin Pedroia is really
> swinging a big stick as of late.
> I guess I don't really see how there can be any debate about
> whether or not this is germane to the list. Does anyone here think
> Obama knows who Joyce Wieland is?
> I signed up for a list on the discussion of experimental film. In
> the last few months, I've gotten that thing about joining some
> social networking site, something asking me to send money to Nigeria,
> and now political propaganda. Does any of this really wall under the
> category of "subversive," Jack? I mean, hell, I wouldn't want to
> receive emails about the new Coen Brothers movie, and I certainly
> didn't give out my email so I could be subject to campaign
> material. Certainly I don't think any of the people who "broke"
> the rules should be kicked off the list or put in jail or anything
> (that would indeed be "absurd"); but a whole mess of people gave out
> their private email addresses so they could receive discussion about
> experimental film, not so they could get information about Democrats,
> Republicans, Lyndon Larouche, etc. It would be nice if people were
> respectful of that.
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Jack Sargeant wrote:
> Rules?
> If we are going to follow rules (absurd) then surely "subversive"
> would
> cover at least some political statements.
> But surely 'rules' 'from above' are antithetical to
> experimental film.
> Jack
> > There are supposed to be rules about this list -
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> >
> > Frameworks is "an international forum on experimental film,
> avant-garde
> > film, film as art, film as film, or film as visual poetry;
> film's
> > expressive qualities, aside from or in addition to its
> storytelling
> > capacity. Any genre of experimental film, such as film diary,
> found
> > footage, abstract, flicker, lyric, subversive, expanded, etc., can
> be
> > discussed, as well as those films which fall into the cracks
> between the
> > genres, or those not covered by other lists.
> >
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