From: ellie epp (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2008 - 07:40:14 PDT
email suppressed wrote:
> Dear Fred,
> I don't want to dash your hopes but I've actually seen some of
> satantango. There was a divx on a friends computer that was left there
> by her ex boyfriend. Unfortunately he had only downloaded part 4 or
> something. I do remember however that it featured some extensive shots
> of a cow and some barnyard buildings as well as a sort of narrative
> bit where two guys go into a bar and try to create a bit of a fuss or
> something and everyone ignores them. I have to confess that I didn't
> watch part 4 in its entirety, it seemed somewhat futile somehow.
>
> The thing is however that I can't see how this would help any more
> than various films by Andy Warhol or a recent film I saw by Chantel
> Ackerman of spaces within a hotel.Perhaps it would help the more
> academically inclined but I was actually somewhat enjoying the hotel
> film because there were bits that were really good and other bits
> which were just awful and made me want to shout out "Chantel what were
> you thinking? This is all wrong!", but even the bad bits made me think
> about what I would have done differently, and I enjoyed that.I would
> have probably stayed and watched it all (over an hour) if I wasn't
> with a friend who didn't suffer from such afflictions.
>
> I've also seen a reel of Empire by Andy Warhol and I loved watching
> the people wandering in and out and staring at it and walking away
> confused. I also saw a very lovely tape splice during empire which was
> my favourite bit and left me threatening to make a whole film of tape
> splices for a long time thereafter. (how to lose friends and alienate
> people)
>
> Even worse I suspect that I would probably even revel in a nice 16mm
> print of Satantango for its entire duration. It just isn't going to work.
>
> For the longest time I liked to tell myself that really I was only
> into experimental film because it was this tiny little scene that
> nobody really knew about and that I could quietly make stuff and
> nobody need ever know or would be able to say "Hey Freya, your're not
> allowed to make films etc" but having been through absolute hell on
> the scene and almost not making it through the last year alive, I had
> to face up to the truth.
>
> Despite the fact that I havn't made an experimental film in about 2
> years and that I've not been to much in the way of film screenings
> either and that in fact the mere idea of doing such things still makes
> me feel a little queasy, the truth of the matter is that I still love
> experimental film.
>
> I KNOW that watching satantango will make no difference.
>
> I'm resigned now that I will be on this list forever...
>
> ...or at least until they cut off my electricity anyway.
>
> love
>
> Freya
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Fred Davidson <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> > From: Fred Davidson <email suppressed>
> > Subject: Welcome!
> > To: email suppressed
> > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:33 PM
> > Dear Jeffrey Paull,
> > On behalf of Pip Chodorov our moderator and the
> > official
> > welcoming committee, which should be arriving here to
> > welcome you
> > officially any minute now, I welcome you to the list. Make
> > yourself to
> > home. Now that we are all on it, all of us want to get off
> > of this
> > list, but none of us know just how. That is all of us with
> > the
> > possible exception of our Alan Berliner. Alan Berliner
> > hasn't made a
> > post to this list in over three years, in over online
> > archived
> > recorded time, if indeed he ever has. As for the rest of
> > us, some of
> > us think a way out is by watching all 450 minutes of
> > Satantango
> > straight through from the beginning to the end. There is a
> > lot of hope
> > for that now, especially now that Satantango has been made
> > available
> > for rental from Netflix. But maybe you can help find us
> > another way
> > out. Here is to hoping and here is to you. I've got to
> > run. I've got a
> > nine o'clock. See you.
> >
> > Fred Davidson
> > Boca Raton
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:28 AM, JEFFREY PAULL wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings -
> > > I just signed up for Frameworks discussion List.
> > > Wow! It's about 6am, I just finished brushing my
> > teeth, and open my
> > > email and here's this whirlwind of serial
> > discussion blurts.
> > > Many of them seem as abstracted from the ideas they
> > represent as the
> > > sound bites said by the so-called grown-ups in
> > American politics.
> > >
> > > When I and my sister were little kids, and we got into
> > a "discussion",
> > > they would, at times, turn into nothing more than,
> > "I ALWAYS, and
> > > you NEVER . . . . . . ." (or "I
> > NEVER, and you
> > > ALWAYS . . . . . .")
> > > Not helpful.
> > >
> > > I think there are important ideas beyond the scope of
> > some one-
> > > liners Being posted.
> > > Please take the time to really explain your point of
> > view.
> > > Your text on the monitor screen is so very very
> > abstracted from the
> > > person who wrote it,
> > > you need to open up a bit so your individual presence
> > comes through.
> > > We need to cut each other some slack, I believe.
> > >
> > > JP
> > in Toronto
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
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> > <email suppressed>.
>
>
>
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