Re: Welcome!

From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2008 - 06:49:20 PDT

Dear Fred,
  I don't want to dash your hopes but I've actually seen some of satantango. There was a divx on a friends computer that was left there by her ex boyfriend. Unfortunately he had only downloaded part 4 or something. I do remember however that it featured some extensive shots of a cow and some barnyard buildings as well as a sort of narrative bit where two guys go into a bar and try to create a bit of a fuss or something and everyone ignores them. I have to confess that I didn't watch part 4 in its entirety, it seemed somewhat futile somehow.

The thing is however that I can't see how this would help any more than various films by Andy Warhol or a recent film I saw by Chantel Ackerman of spaces within a hotel.Perhaps it would help the more academically inclined but I was actually somewhat enjoying the hotel film because there were bits that were really good and other bits which were just awful and made me want to shout out "Chantel what were you thinking? This is all wrong!", but even the bad bits made me think about what I would have done differently, and I enjoyed that.I would have probably stayed and watched it all (over an hour) if I wasn't with a friend who didn't suffer from such afflictions.

I've also seen a reel of Empire by Andy Warhol and I loved watching the people wandering in and out and staring at it and walking away confused. I also saw a very lovely tape splice during empire which was my favourite bit and left me threatening to make a whole film of tape splices for a long time thereafter. (how to lose friends and alienate people)

Even worse I suspect that I would probably even revel in a nice 16mm print of Satantango for its entire duration. It just isn't going to work.

For the longest time I liked to tell myself that really I was only into experimental film because it was this tiny little scene that nobody really knew about and that I could quietly make stuff and nobody need ever know or would be able to say "Hey Freya, your're not allowed to make films etc" but having been through absolute hell on the scene and almost not making it through the last year alive, I had to face up to the truth.

Despite the fact that I havn't made an experimental film in about 2 years and that I've not been to much in the way of film screenings either and that in fact the mere idea of doing such things still makes me feel a little queasy, the truth of the matter is that I still love experimental film.

I KNOW that watching satantango will make no difference.

I'm resigned now that I will be on this list forever...

...or at least until they cut off my electricity anyway.



--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Fred Davidson <email suppressed> wrote:

> From: Fred Davidson <email suppressed>
> Subject: Welcome!
> To: email suppressed
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:33 PM
> Dear Jeffrey Paull,
> On behalf of Pip Chodorov our moderator and the
> official
> welcoming committee, which should be arriving here to
> welcome you
> officially any minute now, I welcome you to the list. Make
> yourself to
> home. Now that we are all on it, all of us want to get off
> of this
> list, but none of us know just how. That is all of us with
> the
> possible exception of our Alan Berliner. Alan Berliner
> hasn't made a
> post to this list in over three years, in over online
> archived
> recorded time, if indeed he ever has. As for the rest of
> us, some of
> us think a way out is by watching all 450 minutes of
> Satantango
> straight through from the beginning to the end. There is a
> lot of hope
> for that now, especially now that Satantango has been made
> available
> for rental from Netflix. But maybe you can help find us
> another way
> out. Here is to hoping and here is to you. I've got to
> run. I've got a
> nine o'clock. See you.
> Fred Davidson
> Boca Raton
> On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:28 AM, JEFFREY PAULL wrote:
> > Greetings -
> > I just signed up for Frameworks discussion List.
> > Wow! It's about 6am, I just finished brushing my
> teeth, and open my
> > email and here's this whirlwind of serial
> discussion blurts.
> > Many of them seem as abstracted from the ideas they
> represent as the
> > sound bites said by the so-called grown-ups in
> American politics.
> >
> > When I and my sister were little kids, and we got into
> a "discussion",
> > they would, at times, turn into nothing more than,
> "I ALWAYS, and
> > you NEVER . . . . . . ." (or "I
> NEVER, and you
> > ALWAYS . . . . . .")
> > Not helpful.
> >
> > I think there are important ideas beyond the scope of
> some one-
> > liners Being posted.
> > Please take the time to really explain your point of
> view.
> > Your text on the monitor screen is so very very
> abstracted from the
> > person who wrote it,
> > you need to open up a bit so your individual presence
> comes through.
> > We need to cut each other some slack, I believe.
> >
> > JP
> in Toronto
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