From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Oct 09 2007 - 18:19:25 PDT
It seems to me like it is possible for all films,
radical or not, to become adrift from their context.
All art in fact for that matter. Perhaps this happens
sooner if the work is in some way considered radical
However, I'm now wondering if a work can become
radical, that perhaps wasn't so much at the time. I
suspect this has already happened with other artistic
works such as books, but I wonder if this can happen
It seems like it should be possible.
Perhaps something seemingly unradical in one place
might become seen as a very radical work somewhere
else (Poland for example).
In fact havn't the poles been really freaking out over
the teletubbies recently? ;)
--- jason livingston <email suppressed>
> Hello DB and others
> Radical filmmaking -- or radical anything -- would
> seem to be specific to a
> historical moment (particular, of that moment) and
> also have to be always
> consistent in the following manner: constituting a
> break from the styles AND
> powers-that-be. What's unclear to me is whether a
> once-radical film can
> retain its radicality. Perhaps so. I'd love to see
> that list!
> For now, here's a handful, in no order, and with no
> claims to long-lasting
> radical effect (though I've made some effort to
> nominate candidates for such
> a distinction)
> The Flicker, Tony Conrad
> Unsere Afr., Peter Kubelka
> Shoah, C. Lanzmann
> (incomplete gestures toward films about class
> analysis and films that stage
> meaningful encounters with individuals, always
> needed, rarely seen)
> and, just to get the ball rolling, NOT Flaming
> Often a claim is made that serious explorations of
> duration always pose
> radical questions about viewing, experience and
> consumption. What do you
> all think? Me, I'm a fence-sitter on that one...
> Ithaca, NY
> >From: db <email suppressed>
> >Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> <email suppressed>
> >To: email suppressed
> >Subject: seeking recommendations
> >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:20:10 -0700
> >I was chatting with a friend today and we started
> discussing the words
> >"radical" and "filmmaking" within the same
> sentence. Got me thinking about
> >a lot of films that would, for me, fit into such a
> genre (for lack of a
> >better word).
> >My dictionary describes genre as:
> >a category of artistic composition, as in music or
> >characterized by similarities in form, style, or
> subject matter
> >Such a definition seems rather anti-radical to me,
> so I'd like to toss out
> >a call for recommendations of films that, to
> members of this list, would
> >be considered radical.
> >I'd rather not provide examples that have crossed
> my mind as I'd prefer to
> >receive suggestions based upon unmediated
> (unguided?) ideas of what
> >constitutes radical filmmaking.
> >If anyone has suggestions please send them along,
> on or off-list.
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> <email suppressed>.
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