Re: labels

From: Pip Chodorov (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jun 27 2006 - 14:54:03 PDT

I don't think it's that complicated.
A film is a film and a DVD of a film is a DVD of a film.
A video is a video and a DVD of a video is a DVD of a video.
And a kinescope (on film) of a video is a film of a video, etc.
A reproduction is a reproduction.
Hope that's not too Gertrude Stein for you.
We have no trouble calling musicians
acoustic-guitar players or electric-guitar
players, then there are those who go back and
forth, then the occasional electric-guitar
players who do a special "unplugged" performance,
and then there are those who play electric
guitars with no amplifiers while they're sitting
on the toilet, acoustically. There is no
confusion, and the world is quite happy with the
words that we use. So why should "digital film"
cause such an uproar? Obviously the person who
says "digital film" is an oxy-moron.
-Pip Chodorov

>This is a very interesting discussion. :)
>I think that the term "film" is far beyond the material context.
>Otherwise we would have a really complex
>situation when a DVD-version (or VHS, LD, HD...)
>of a film wouldn't be a film. Surely it _is_
>only a re-presentation (and a manipulated one,
>more or less depending on the format), but that
>is what cinema has allways been (and there's
>allways a certain degree of manipulation).
>Björn Lundgren
>----- Original Message ----- From: "k. a.r." <email suppressed>
>To: <email suppressed>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:16 PM
>Subject: labels
>>hey there. somewhere in the barrage of posts,
>>somebody wrote about not just calling ourselves
>>filmmakers anymore.
>>I think, if you work in film, call yourself a filmmmaker.
>>if you work in video, call yourself whatever
>>you think applies, but DON'T call yourself a
>>One of my co-workers described himself as a
>>"Digital Cinematographer" , and stated
>>adamently that he was NOT a filmmaker because
>>he didnt work with film.
>>Myself personally, I like to tell people I am an experimental exhibitionist.
>>(haha, but I really do tell people that......)
>>Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
>>Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
>>Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
>>The Mission, San Francisco, CA
>>For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
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