Re: labels

From: Rob Gawthrop (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Jun 28 2006 - 06:01:27 PDT

(Movie / moving image is mute)

there's also art
there's also production
                                         "the society based on
production is only productive not creative" Albert Camus - The Rebel

there's humpty-dumpty

there's painting
and decorating

there's labels
there's names

& Witgenstein

A so on


On 27 Jun 2006, at 22:54, Pip Chodorov wrote:

> I don't think it's that complicated.
> A film is a film and a DVD of a film is a DVD of a film.
> A video is a video and a DVD of a video is a DVD of a video.
> And a kinescope (on film) of a video is a film of a video, etc.
> A reproduction is a reproduction.
> Hope that's not too Gertrude Stein for you.
> We have no trouble calling musicians acoustic-guitar players or
> electric-guitar players, then there are those who go back and forth,
> then the occasional electric-guitar players who do a special
> "unplugged" performance, and then there are those who play electric
> guitars with no amplifiers while they're sitting on the toilet,
> acoustically. There is no confusion, and the world is quite happy with
> the words that we use. So why should "digital film" cause such an
> uproar? Obviously the person who says "digital film" is an oxy-moron.
> -Pip Chodorov
>> This is a very interesting discussion. :)
>> I think that the term "film" is far beyond the material context.
>> Otherwise we would have a really complex situation when a DVD-version
>> (or VHS, LD, HD...) of a film wouldn't be a film. Surely it _is_ only
>> a re-presentation (and a manipulated one, more or less depending on
>> the format), but that is what cinema has allways been (and there's
>> allways a certain degree of manipulation).
>> Björn Lundgren
>> Sweden
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "k. a.r." <email suppressed>
>> To: <email suppressed>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:16 PM
>> Subject: labels
>>> hey there. somewhere in the barrage of posts, somebody wrote about
>>> not just calling ourselves filmmakers anymore.
>>> I think, if you work in film, call yourself a filmmmaker.
>>> if you work in video, call yourself whatever you think applies, but
>>> DON'T call yourself a filmmaker.
>>> One of my co-workers described himself as a "Digital
>>> Cinematographer" , and stated adamently that he was NOT a filmmaker
>>> because he didnt work with film.
>>> Myself personally, I like to tell people I am an experimental
>>> exhibitionist.
>>> (haha, but I really do tell people that......)
>>> Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
>>> Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
>>> Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
>>> The Mission, San Francisco, CA
>>> 415-863-1154
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