From: Lauren Cook (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Apr 07 2006 - 08:10:09 PDT
product placement has become so widespread that we won't have to worry about
this distinction much longer. soon, everything that is now labeled
"narrative" will just be called a commercial-- film, tv, short, new media,
whatever. Then we can categorize experimental films without it getting
confusing. Maya Deren's films can be understood as narrative without
needing explosions, happy endings, or an extended take of someone guzzling
down a pepsi after rescuing a small child and puppy from a fire.
only half joking,
>From: Chuck Kleinhans <email suppressed>
>Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>To: email suppressed
>Subject: Re: experimental film vs narrative film
>Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:11:42 -0500
>Confusion of terms. Depends on what you mean by "experimental" and by
>"narrative." Some people probably mean "dramatic fiction NARRATIVE
>(feature length) film" when they say "narrative."
>Because there sure is a narrative (a story, even if told in a confusing
>way) in Chien Andalou, Water Window Baby Moving, Nostalgia, and
>Some of the first Film Culture awards celebrating the New American Cinema
>went to Shadows, Pull My Daisy, and Chelsea Girls...all narratives. Many
>folks would assume that while based on (avant garde) theatre pieces, The
>Connection and The Brig are experimental.
>George and Mike Kuchar have made a lot of works which are narrative and
>experimental. And Abigail Child's films, by and large, play heavily with
>narrative but are certainly experimental.
>On Apr 7, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Freya wrote:
>>I've noticed a few places lately people making a
>>distinction between experimental film and narrative
>>However surely many experimental films are quite
>>narrative too. Maya Deren and Kenneth Anger spring to
>>mind. Possibly even Stan Brakhage!
>>Strangely this very subject came up at the Rose Lowder
>>screening yesterday too which I was glad to see. "So
>>it isn't just me who is finding this odd!" I thought.
>>I've noticed it happening more and more tho.
>>Rose even went as far as to suggest it would be
>>possible to have experimental fiction films. I hadn't
>>thought of it in quite that way before, just that some
>>films were very narrative.
>>But do any of you really think there is a clear
>>seperation between the two or is it just something
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