Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness

From: Jonathan Walley <walleyj_at_denison.edu>
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:14:04 -0400

Wait...who's getting insulting?

On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Matt Helme wrote:

> Only my opinbion folks. No one should get insulting.
> Matt
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.matthelme.webs.com/
>
> --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Jonathan Walley <walleyj_at_denison.edu> wrote:
>
> From: Jonathan Walley <walleyj_at_denison.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different
> attitude towards time and attentiveness
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com
> >
> Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 1:20 PM
>
> Not specifically about experimental film - though some do get
> mentioned - David Bordwell's recent blog post on "dull" films is
> worth reading:
>
> http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2011/07/10/good-and-good-for-you/
>
> I especially like, "Simply shrugging off a film by saying, 'Itís
> boring!' is about as uninformative a response as saying, 'Itís
> interesting!' And one should always be suspicious of somebody, in
> the name of debunkery, telling us that we shouldnít bother to know
> something."
>
> But also, "Not all slow, minimalist movies are good."
>
> The question of what holds spectatorial attention (and what doesn't,
> and why) comes into play, as well. I don't think we can ascribe the
> dwindling attention we might see in our students (or fellow film-
> goers) simply to the new technology of distraction. I imagine that
> viewers experiencing avant-garde and art films for the first time
> have always been prone to distraction, because they tend to be
> bored, confused, angry, etc. The new gadgets - the cell phones and
> droids - just give them something else to look at, but before those
> there was always chatter, daydreaming, and sleeping.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Matt Helme wrote:
>
>> Maybe the films are just dull?
>> Matt
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.matthelme.webs.com/
>>
>> --- On Sun, 7/17/11, gregg biermann <mubbazoo_at_optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: gregg biermann <mubbazoo_at_optonline.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different
>> attitude towards time and attentiveness
>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com
>> >
>> Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:54 AM
>>
>> I was not suggesting that films should be viewed in the way the kids
>> today seem to prefer (with split attention). I have noticed college
>> students in cinema studies classes seem have much more difficulty
>> than I
>> do sitting silently in the dark and watching a film from beginning to
>> end. I attribute this to the effect of contemporary technology on
>> the
>> mind. How many of you have noticed that during a film projection, in
>> the darkness, there are smaller competing rectangles of light
>> floating
>> in front of various audience members?
>>
>> On 7/16/2011 3:02 PM, Fred Camper wrote:
>> > Quoting gregg biermann<mubbazoo_at_optonline.net>:
>> >
>> >> Fred,
>> >> I agree. If you think about the metaphor of Windows itself -- the
>> >> implication is that your attention is, practically by default,
>> split
>> >> between multiple processes and events happening simultaneously on
>> >> screen....
>> > And recent studies have shown that when people "multi-task," they
>> > don't do the separate tasks very well.
>> >
>> > I don't want to preclude the idea that divided and interrupted
>> > attention might be interesting, and might lead to interesting
>> art. My
>> > point is that it makes the older type of attention, the type
>> required
>> > for say Bach's "The Art of the Fugue" or a great older poem or
>> novel,
>> > of "The Art of Vision," less likely. Viewing art alone and in
>> silence,
>> > and also with the inner solitude of a mind aware of the finest
>> details
>> > of the experience and their multiple shades and suggestions and
>> > implications, that's something really important to me. And I think
>> > it's the best way to view the films of Markopoulos, Brakhage,
>> Breer,
>> > Frampton, Gehr, and so many others...
>> >
>> > Fred Camper
>> > Chicago
>> >
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