Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitudetowards time and attentiveness

From: Ingo Petzke <>
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:24:36 +0200

Once again:

Watching "films" on Youtube is like listening to opera via the telephone. -
Not more, not less.

Ingo Petzke

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attitudetowards time and attentiveness

Remind me again the purpose of putting out the Brakhage DVD sets?
Watching those on a tv screen it seems to me is not entirely
different than watching a streaming video full-screen on a computer
screen (in a darkened room with distractions eliminated).
I think there are many who get/got something from those sets and to
me the effectiveness of those sets opened the door.
No one is saying that it is a "substitute" for watching it in a movie
theater any more than listening to the Art Of The Fugue on a stereo
is a substitute for a live performance.

Myron Ort

On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Fred Camper wrote:

> Quoting gregg biermann <>:
>> Fred,
>> I agree. If you think about the metaphor of Windows itself -- the
>> implication is that your attention is, practically by default, split
>> between multiple processes and events happening simultaneously on
>> screen....
> And recent studies have shown that when people "multi-task," they
> don't do the separate tasks very well.
> I don't want to preclude the idea that divided and interrupted
> attention might be interesting, and might lead to interesting art. My
> point is that it makes the older type of attention, the type required
> for say Bach's "The Art of the Fugue" or a great older poem or novel,
> of "The Art of Vision," less likely. Viewing art alone and in silence,
> and also with the inner solitude of a mind aware of the finest details
> of the experience and their multiple shades and suggestions and
> implications, that's something really important to me. And I think
> it's the best way to view the films of Markopoulos, Brakhage, Breer,
> Frampton, Gehr, and so many others...
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
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