Re: [Frameworks] Quo Vadis Celluloid?

From: Anna Biller <>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:44:29 -0700

But if both goat's milk and buttermilk are available at the market, what would be the point of the cook pondering ahead of time on what he/ she would do if having to use buttermilk? Why wouldn't he/ she just buy the goat's milk and make the recipe? Once goat's milk was no longer available, then of course the cook would have to adjust, and I'm sure he/ she would. But no cook would ever worry about that if they could still get the ingredient. What would be the point? And would that cook be accused of being a fetishist if they were attached to that ingredient instead of some other, or be accused of not exploring other ingredients because that was what they wanted to use in their recipe? What's wrong with being a fetishist anyway? Isn't that part of being discerning? No true wine connoisseur would ever be fooled by switched labels. Discerning/ fetishistic and exploratory/ resourceful need not be mutually exclusive, and seldom are when we are talking about serious artists.

On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Fred Camper wrote:

> Quoting Pip Chodorov <>:
>> The question has nothing to do with whether film and video LOOK different.
>> The fact is that they ARE different. That's it.
>> If a great cook needs goat's milk for a specific recipe and can only
>> get buttermilk, the result will not be the same.
> Yes, but how different will it taste? My guess is that sometimes it
> will taste different enough to matter, but that with some recipes and
> some cooks, no one will be able to tell the difference.
> There have been tests that have shown that wine "connoissuers" are
> often fooled by the label, preferring a cheap wine to an expensive one
> when the labels are switched.
> I don't think using film or video or digital are moral issues. What
> matters is results. For a few filmmakers, there will be things that
> only film can do, but I suspect that this is not true of for most. You
> can even get filmic "flicker" with DLP, right? I don't think we should
> have mystical, or fetishistic, attachments to any particular media,
> but rather, explore the possibilities of whatever media we are able to
> use.
> The US government actually made a profit on the bank bailout. They
> will arguably make a profit on the auto bailout if the costs of having
> let GM and Chrysler shut down are factored in. I do think someone
> should keep print stock available, but let's be clear on the facts.
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
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