Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness

From: Matt Helme <>
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:23:59 -0700 (PDT)

I saw Brakhage on you youtube and brought the DVD sets because of it.If it were not for the internet, i probably would never really know his work.

--- On Sun, 7/17/11, Jake B. <> wrote:

From: Jake B. <>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <>
Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 1:49 AM

I want to add that had I first been exposed to Brakhage through "youtube," I don't think it would have had the same impact on me as the DVDs did. Also, I've tried to show friends Brakhage films on youtube to no avail. Later, the same friends watched the DVD with me and would complain about what poor representation the "youtube" videos are...

- Jake

From: Richard Sylvarnes <>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] this guy's youtube channel/ a different attitude towards time and attentiveness

Welcome to the present. How many people have the chance or ability to 
hear music or watch a film optimally? What is that? Even in the best 
theater someone will cough. I have the Brakhage sets and they're 


On Jul 16, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Myron Ort wrote:

> Remind me again the purpose of putting out the Brakhage DVD sets?
> Watching those on a tv screen it seems to me is not entirely
> different than watching a streaming video full-screen on a computer
> screen (in a darkened room with distractions eliminated).
> I think there are many who get/got something from those sets and to
> me the effectiveness of those sets opened the door.
> No one is saying that it is a "substitute" for watching it in a movie
> theater any more than listening to the Art Of The Fugue on a stereo
> is a substitute for a live performance.
> Myron Ort
> On Jul 16, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Fred Camper wrote:
>> Quoting gregg biermann <>:
>>> Fred,
>>> I agree. If you think about the metaphor of Windows itself -- the
>>> implication is that your attention is, practically by default, split
>>> between multiple processes and events happening simultaneously on
>>> screen....
>> And recent studies have shown that when people "multi-task," they
>> don't do the separate tasks very well.
>> I don't want to preclude the idea that divided and interrupted
>> attention might be interesting, and might lead to interesting art. My
>> point is that it makes the older type of attention, the type required
>> for say Bach's "The Art of the Fugue" or a great older poem or novel,
>> of "The Art of Vision," less likely. Viewing art alone and in 
>> silence,
>> and also with the inner solitude of a mind aware of the finest 
>> details
>> of the experience and their multiple shades and suggestions and
>> implications, that's something really important to me. And I think
>> it's the best way to view the films of Markopoulos, Brakhage, Breer,
>> Frampton, Gehr, and so many others...
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
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