Re: [Frameworks] Drama films and the Avant-Garde

From: Richard Deming (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jan 25 2011 - 13:16:24 PST


a recent example that comes to mind is Oliver Stone's Wall Street 2:
Money Never Sleeps. A bad film to be sure, but it does steal from
Marie Menken's Go Go Go in these speeded up transitional sequences so
much that it must be an intended homage. At the same time, the fact
that the film uses MM's avant-garde techniques to represent the
corporatized NYC seems a complicated and even dismaying appropriation.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:57 PM, alrees wrote:

> Thanks very much to everyone for sending the lists, and for raising
> new
> questions. Yes, Fred, I should have said that my inquiry is for an
> updated
> edition of my 1999 BFI book, 'A History of Experimental Film and
> Video', in
> which - fairly briefly - I gave some examples of where mainstream
> films (and
> ads and music videos) imitate techniques or stylistics of the avant-
> garde.
> Some of these are very superficial usages, others arguably less so.
> My 1999
> examples were from Scorsese, Lynch, Stone, Bigelow etc, so I am
> looking for
> newer instances, about which I now certainly know a lot more after
> all the
> examples that have been posted. I hardly ever see feature films, so
> I am
> relying on these suggestions. So that's the purpose, and I'm
> grateful to all
> who have responded, or who might have more to add.
> Al
> on 25/01/2011 18:03, Fred Camper at email suppressed wrote:
>> Quoting Jonathan Thomas <email suppressed>:
>>> Indeed. This is pretty much the only time you see experimental
>>> techniques
>>> employed in most mainstream cinema: to depict 'altered states' such
>>> as psychosis...
>> Well, "experimental techniques" are also used decoratively, as in
>> "The
>> Jacket" (2005), in which shadows of plants in "homage" to Brakhage's
>> "Mothlight" serve as the backdrop to the final credits.
>> I wish that the purpose of queries like this one was made clear. The
>> use of "experimentaltechniques" without any of their original power
>> and meaning should be critiqued, in my view, even if one wishes to
>> defend new uses in certain films.
>> Fred Camper
>> Chicago
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