Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!

From: Beth Capper (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Oct 14 2010 - 20:26:12 PDT


This is a conversation.. so if you are referring to me, I was not, in fact,
equating Canyon to Disney.. the Disney comment was a response to somebody
suggesting that everyone who uses found footage should get the rights - a
different issue to Ubuweb getting rights to put up people's works. I just
happen to believe that a) Canyon and Ubu can co-exist together, and b)
copyright law often prohibits the remixing of pop culture that in turn
produces new art works.

There are many arguments going on here, not just one.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Flick Harrison <email suppressed>wrote:

> It's almost depressing to chime in on this because, as so often happens,
> this is about artists fighting over scraps. The royalties from Brakhage's
> work vs the crappy copies of films on Ubuweb, the tiny kingdom of being "the
> guys who make Ubuweb" or the tiny spotlight of being on Ubu.
> To compare the meagre monies flowing through Canyon to the billions
> produced by Disney's child-labour machine is embarrassing. Making moral /
> legal / cultural arguments that equate the two in any way is foolish and
> perhaps insane.
> Disney's 4-quarter revenue as of May 2010 was 8.6 fucking billion. What
> was Canyon's cashflow this year? What about Brakhage? What about the total
> worldwide cashflow surrounding experimental cinema since the invention of
> moving pictures? Does that even add up to 8.6 billion?
> The question of whether an artist benefits or suffers from the pirating of
> their works is indeed open and important, and probably varies based on
> non-random but ephemeral factors like availability, demographics of
> audience, etc. But, to deny the artist the choice of distribution methods,
> using the same arguments one makes against Disney's right of intellectual
> "ownership" of our cultural icons, or the argument one makes for
> de-trademarking words like Kleenex or Rolodex, is spurious at best and
> intellectually dishonest at worst.
> It's akin to the moral travesty of treating corporations as legal persons.
> As the film The Corporation will tell you, corporations are sociopathic
> characters who should be locked up in the looney bin.
> The biggest difference between Canyon and Disney is that Disney will smack
> your ass down if you steal from them. Notice the FBI's new power to seize
> domain names... When will Ubuweb face this fate? Will someone on this list
> file a report? Will the FBI care?
> PS According to Christine O'Donnell (who will put a hex on you if you
> disagree), any quibbles with inheritance of estates, intellectual or
> otherwise, amounts to a Marxist tenet.
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