Re: [Frameworks] weird!

From: jason livingston (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jun 06 2010 - 09:06:15 PDT

I think you may have meant for this to be sent to the whole list, and not to me.
I'm not going to get into a big thing over this because it's actually pretty clear that I wasn't making an 'argument' at all but rather an observation, and a fairly loose one at that.
For the record, I make an attempt to consider both aesthetic and political 'arguments' quite seriously. They're both complex matters, neither one easy.
JasonIthaca, NY

> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:33:59 -0500
> From: email suppressed
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
> Quoting jason livingston <email suppressed>:
> > ....And please don't get me wrong here - because I don't want to
> > start a flame-out nor encourage a rants-and-raves style gripe
> > session - but the list does strike me as curiously heavy on the
> > elders and vets....
> What I really dislike about arguments like this one is that they are
> almost always political rather than aesthetic. Maybe that's because
> political arguments are easier to make, but to me such arguments
> degrade everything I care about in cinema. An argument like "too many
> oldsters" or "too many youngsters" or "not enough Japanese" tells me
> nothing, unless there is an obvious and extreme bias which of course
> should be noted, but which also seems to not be the case here. An
> argument such as "there's a group of younger filmmakers whose films
> are organized differently than earlier work, and whose work I love for
> these very different reasons, but which seems under-appreciated by
> many critics perhaps because of the difference," now that would be
> interesting, but that sort of thing is almost never heard. That the
> arguments to make for art should be ones of aesthetic merit seems
> tautological to me.
> For the record, I was one of the 46, and the final list is quite
> different from what I submitted. That's the other problem with
> "averaging" lists. In the old days of the "Village Voice," Andrew
> Sarris would take a top ten poll of readers, but then he would also
> list every film mentioned; thus did a few obscure Brakhage films make
> it from my top ten into his column.
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
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