Re: [Frameworks] weird!

From: Chris Lynn (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Jun 05 2010 - 11:04:57 PDT


Shelly I couldn't agree more-
cheers,
Chris

--- On Sat, 6/5/10, Shelly Silver <email suppressed> wrote:

> From: Shelly Silver <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
> Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 1:51 PM
> not completely off topic - i recently
> heard yoko ono talk about fluxus 
> - how when george maciunas came up with the idea/name she
> argued 
> against it, saying that it wasn't a movement.  but
> looking back all 
> these years, she admired him for doing it, as now it has
> entered 
> history, people talk about what these artists were doing.
> it is a way 
> of saying something important is happening here.
>
> i was just on a jury of a film festival, another activity
> of making 
> bests.  these competitions are strangely
> contingent,  and benefit more 
> than harm, in that there are a plethora of festivals and
> competitions 
> and never a consensus....  (perhaps i'm kidding myself
> here)
>
> in terms of 'the list' i would like a list that focuses on
> complexity, 
> sublists, additions - above all the word 'and'
> best for the ongoing health of a practice/practices
>
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Chris Lynn wrote:
>
> > Dear Scott and Shelly,
> > thanks for the insight!
> > seems like Views and Film Comment have some special
> relationship 
> > regarding the selection. Maybe it's just me, but is
> anyone else 
> > troubled by the the word "best" ?- seems silly and
> somewhat 
> > offensive. What was the criteria? Is this explained in
> the magazine? 
> > I don't read Film Comment-I am hoping there is some
> constructive 
> > analysis of their assessments-
> > Chris
> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Shelly Silver <email suppressed>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Shelly Silver <email suppressed>
> >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
> >> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed
>
> >> >
> >> Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:25 PM
> >> dear scott..
> >> in terms of the community, and this is a
> community-based
> >> listserve, my
> >> question with all these kinds of lists is who
> >> benefits.   i'm all for
> >> benefits -they're useful
> things.   clearly
> >> the people who benefit are
> >> those on the list (both selectors and chosen) as
> well as
> >> Views,
> >> further consolidating an already very
> consolidated
> >> vision/structure.
> >> (as you point out so well below)
> >>
> >> the next question is who doesn't benefit. 
> well,
> >> everyone who is not
> >> on the list.  for me these lists are most
> often
> >> scary  - they write a
> >> very particular view of history as History. 
> does the
> >> community
> >> benefit?  i've always been one that thought
> that
> >> community, in the
> >> long run, benefits from diversity, aesthetic
> bouncings and
> >> even
> >> clashes, and above all inclusion.
> >>
> >> shelly
> >>
> >> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:38 AM, <email suppressed>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> hi there--
> >>> chris' advanced math skills aside -- i don't
> find the
> >> list weird at
> >>> all.
> >>>
> >>> the editor of the list co-programs Views. the
> editor
> >> of the list
> >>> sent a "pre-selection" of titles to the 46
> selectors
> >> which, included
> >>> every film shown at views in the 2000's and a
> >> sprinkling of others
> >>> from Wavelengths that didn't show at Views.
> these were
> >> the
> >>> 'recommended' titles so to speak, although
> all
> >> selectors were
> >>> invited to add their own, of course.
> >>>
> >>> its been said before: Views skews way toward
> >> distinguished gentlemen
> >>> from the US.
> >>> the list of selectors is mostly in this camp,
> with a
> >> sprinkling of
> >>> women and folks outside the US.
> >>>
> >>> so its not weird at all to me that the list
> lauds Mr.
> >> Klahr, (and
> >>> not just because he voted!) and crew, because
> IMHO it
> >> was a pre-
> >>> determined self-congratulatory exercise.
> >>>
> >>> as all such lists of this ilk are...
> >>>
> >>> ciao,
> >>> scott in toronto
> >>>
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