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From: JEFFREY PAULL (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jun 14 2009 - 06:33:04 PDT

I'm glad you're putting more up on the website.
Do you feel there is a "best" size to view them? small?,say 2x3 inches, on a monitor surrounded by black of course
                                                                                  Medium?, say, quite sharp but on a monitor,
                                                                                  Large? Projected - even on a planatarium dome?
I know the originals haven't much small detail, but maybe that wouldn't matter?

Thanks for the mini-show.

Here are 2 Toronto websites that might be interested in showing your work:




> I currently find the non-optically time manipulated constant flow of
> hand-painted movie film images (nicely at "silent speed")  to be no
> more or less comprehensible or incomprehensible than watching the
> ocean (or anything else for that matter).   
> Art!
> Myron
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez wrote:
> it's been truly useful to follow this thread, you guys.  you are a
> walking encyclopedia JP!   thanks again. i can vouch for almost
> everything you mentioned after having tried most of those tricks
> myself, and yes, Myron, i too have used vinegar to sweeten the residue
> after bleaching and soaking in water, but left the film outside
> overnight to dry and air out.  overall i am not a fan of the
> bleaching process. yuk!  i too have found that warm water and
> patience produce interesting results (and i am a scraper by nature, so
> this works well for me).  i too tried nail polish remover,
> turpentine, etc. with mostly ill or nil results.  i never thought to
> use printing chemicals to develop film, nor to use fixer to remove or
> alter the emulsion, although i have done hand-processing of B/W neg &
> reversal many times back in the day (now i mostly use found footage,
> including my own).  just goes to show you CAN teach an old dog new
> tricks.   
> and no, JP, we're not technically old farts if we're still learning
> something. 
> enjoy today...
> Dinorah de Jes ús Rodríguez Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
> www.solislandmediaworks.com [2] [3]www.artcinematic.blogspot.com [4]
> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv [5]
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Myron Ort wrote:
> Jeffrey,
> Again thanks for the further info.
> btw.  I am planning to shoot some B&W in the near future.  Since I
> have long ago used up my stash of old "army surplus" film stock, I may
> have to buy new...   (ouch!)What do you think of Kodak Plus X Neg.
> stock today?   Any recommendations for processing,  I may end up
> just having it processed at Alpha Cine and have them print it.
> I do own some processing tanks as well as the old Morse hand-crank 
> daylight tank.
> Myron
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, JEFFREY PAULL wrote:
> Myron and Dinorah -
> What I wrote comes out of my own experiences in film and still
> photographyand in teaching it.  At my first teaching job, and as part
> of an intermedia group,I learned how to make B&W slides from B&W negs
> using Eastman's 5362 (35mm version of 7362). The tonality is
> georgeous.When I got a job here in Canada, in 1972, the very first
> thing I put in a requisition for, was an optical printer, and  I
> taught a course called "Frame-by-Frame", got the nearby men's staff
> washroom (as they call it here) into a darkroom, and my students shot
> and developed their own footage, made loops, motifs, gestural sweeps,
> patterns.They coloured it if they wanted.That's how I learned how all
> this works. It took time and testing, of course, to understand the
> interrelationships.
> OK: Just in case . . . . . . a couple of hints - or are they "tips"?
> - Maybe they're even "secrets".       Observations: Penultimate:If
> you develop B&W film: Any B&W developer will work, but keep this in
> mind:        - Developers used for enlarging paper can also be
> used to develop cine film. It gives you high contrast results and
> strong D-Max (opaque blacks).
>        - Kodak makes (made?) several Hi-con developers: D-8,
> D-11, D-19. They all work.
>       - The highest contrast developers are so-called graphic arts
> "Litho" developers. They come in separate parts "A" and "B". These
> developers are so active, you mix A and B parts just before use, and
> the mixture dies after only several hours.
>        - All developers used to develop CAMERA NEGATIVE stocks
> (still or cine) are low contrast developers and give weak D-Max.
> Finally: The word "bleach", photographically, names 3 different
> chemicals:
>    1} Bleach that removes or lightens a B&W image,  while leaving
> the gelatine intact.
>    2 }  So-called "rehaloginating bleach" which is the chemical
> used when you develop any reversal films.
>   1} Clothes bleach (active ingredient chlorine) Removes image by
> destroying the gelatine coating the image is imbedded in.       
> Gelatine is a protein; so chlorine will do the same to a soaking hand,
> or air passages if breathing concentration is more than laundry day.So
> never mix chlorine bleach with anything because some household stuff
> makes Clorox fizz which is pure chlorine.If you get Clorox on your
> skin, it'll feel slippery. Wash you hand(s) til they don't feel
> slippery and pour a little vinigar in  your hands to neutralize the
> last molocules of chlorine. By this time, the Clorox has been diluted
> enough so it won't fizz with vinigar.   Then you can squeeze the
> lettuce and eat the salad. (joke)
> Dinorah and Myron -I'm glad to know that at least part of my emails
> is (still!) useful.Again, I'm a FRAMEWORKS fan, and I'm comitted to
> helping filmmakers. So any time in future you think I might be able to
> help . . . . . . .
> Jeffrey Paull
> PS: I guess I assumed I was the only old fart in FRAMEWORKS
> On Sun 07/06/09 10:23 , Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez           
>   email suppressed [6] sent: hi JP and Myron,i too have been
> hand-painting and scratching on film for over 30years, but your
> comments on the removal of the emulsion and subsequent entries on
> photo fixer revealed some new information for meand i'm sure for many
> other readers.  And it concisely summed up in acouple of pages what
> it has taken me many years to figure out by trial and error in my
> studio.  Thank you for all of this great info.  JP,i am printing out
> your post as a convenient handout to give to mystudents.  thank you,
> and thanks to Raha for bringing up the subject.
> enjoy today...Dinorah de Jes ús Rodríguez Film/Video Artist and
> Freelance Writerwww.solislandmediaworks.com [1] [2]
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com [7] [3]http://cinesthesia.blip.tv [8]
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