Re: Gabriel by Agnes Martin

From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Mar 24 2009 - 20:23:40 PDT

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Chris Kennedy <email suppressed>wrote:

> Yes, and I like them a lot. I think thereís a lot to be said about the
> artist as filmmaker. Serra was very much invested in watching what was
> coming out of the film scene at the time and responded in his own way.

yes yes
he was invested a good word for his activity

> I think a lot of current objections are related to the art star phenomenon
> deciding that CINEMA is the way they can fully express their megalomania.
> Like Bowie painting, one learns to be suspect... But there are so many
> different types of artists making different types of films, that I donít
> think you can have a knee-jerk reaction to them all. The spectrum is rather
> wide. And some are really making contributions to an understanding of the
> art form (Sharon Lockhartís probably the least controversial of these).

totally agreed
within my action is my relationship to fred
having been on the list a long time
i have had conversations with him before
which i usually find to bare fruit

> A legitimate frustration is that it doesnít quite go the other way.

wow - that's true
do you think it is sort of a gutteral reaction for the filmmakers to isolate
out of protection?

> Contemporary art discourse rarely mentions filmmaking as part of its
> purview. I understand some of that... Visionary cinema as a phenomenon kind
> of clashes with conceptual art discourses.. Even more now when hip art often
> stands as indexical signs to ideas and weíre still talking process, vision,
> form, or even, dare we, editing!...

i have had people say to me
- so when you make a film you don't just shoot it the way it is shown
you have to put it together somehow? -
editing is a really hard thing that is underestimated

> The dialogues donít intersect so I can understand when people feel a little
> territorial when they walk into a gallery show and see someone whose
> convinced their gallery to make a few prints of a half-baked structural film
> parody with the appropriate amount of Hitchcock references (watch out,
> though, I feel a Fassbinder wave coming on!)\
> Best,
> Chris

really funny
your very right

do you know about deleuze and guattari rhyzome stuff?
(ref. intersecting dialogue)

> On 3/24/09 1:21 PM, "Cari Machet" <email suppressed> wrote:
> have you seen richard serra's films?
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