Re: syncing sound on super-16mm

From: JEFFREY PAULL (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Feb 02 2009 - 17:22:23 PST

The total frame area of super 16 isn't THAT much bigger, than regular.
But, if you blow it up to 35mm, it's aspect ratio allows more of the frame to get on to the blow up.
But without that particular function, it seems to me that projecting Super-16 instead of regular 16
is a huge amount of trouble for only a modest improvement.
If your footage - your movie - is any good, nobody cares if it's slightly more or less grainy.
Put that money into refined re-takes. Put that time and cleverness into the artwork itself.
Look at all the swell pix shot on Diana and Loma cameras!


On Mon 02/02/09 17:43 , marco poloni email suppressed sent:
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> #ffffff;color: black;}Hello Mat,
> Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one,
> portability. Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually trying to
> gather my own equipment, and I am indeed on the other side of the sea,
> so with time I should be able to locate and revamp one of those
> Bauers. Indeed this is the brand I was thinking about as an
> alternative to Eikis because their motors, Ihear, are more modern are
> easier to regulate.
> Best,
> Marco
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mat fleming
> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
> Hi Marco,
> Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are double
> band and portable. you can see a picture of one here
> I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed gate
> but not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will record and play
> just about any combination of mag
> soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better for
> you to try and find one closer to home.
> Mat
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn wrote:
> This is an obvious, old-tec solution:
> Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band
> projector. I realise this may not be what you want and there may be
> difficulties in getting hold of the mag transfer services or gear, but
> it will work!
> Nicky Hamlyn.
> On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:
> Dear Frameworkers,
> I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of attempting
> to sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection stage. As you
> well know S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space for an optical
> track between the image frames and the sprocket holes. I contacted
> Martin Sawyer in London, who did a good amount of research in adding a
> very fine optical track. He got good results, but said it was very
> difficult to find labs that would process this footage. If I am not
> mistaken, he abandoned this.
> I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first to
> modify an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's aperture to
> the "W"type gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-difficult part. Second,
> I would have to find someone to crystal-sync the motor via an external
> "master" device that will also pilot the sound of a CD, MP3 or solid
> state player to ensure perfect sync.
> I have done quite some research and have some very technical
> questions. I am writing in the hope that someone might provide
> feedback.
> 1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas syncing
> AC motors would be difficult and costly. A friend recommends using a
> Bauer P8 projector which uses a DC motor. I am a big fan of Eiki's and
> am not ready to swap brands. I was wondering if anyone knows whether
> their drive motors are AC or DC?
> 2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does
> anyone have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or
> EX-2000)with the electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)
> 3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual
> channels (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much harder than
> the more common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place that could have a
> couple for sale?
> Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!
> Best,
> Marco
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