Re: Nightmare!

From: DOMINIC ANGERAME (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Jul 30 2008 - 08:10:00 PDT


Hi Marilyn.....I have had similar experiences when I
am either sleep deprived or extremely exhausted. I can
close my eyes, yet see through my eyelids. It is like
seeing through a mask....I can see my room and
everything in it....it is a very strange
experience....for whatever it is worth...I though I
would share that...

Dominic
--- Marilyn Brakhage <email suppressed> wrote:

> These are interesting questions. But has no one
> here ever experienced
> an after-image of a dream image? I have. The brief
> retention of
> optical stimulation that results in a visual
> after-image when we look
> at a bright object, for example, is, I think, a
> fairly well-known and
> well-understood phenomenon -- a sort of brief
> persistence of vision.
> What is interesting is that when awaking from a
> dream (eyes still
> closed), I have more than once experienced a similar
> "picture" in
> closed-eye vision of what I was last "seeing" in my
> dream. This would
> suggest that images are formed not only by optical
> stimulation being
> interpreted by brain, but also by brain activity
> stimulating same
> optical nerves -- in other words, in reverse. Also,
> when people are
> extremely sleep-deprived, they can begin to
> hallucinate, right? --
> basically dreaming while 'awake'; "seeing" things
> that are not there.
> So I think images in dreams do involve both memory
> and optics -- and
> that the content is not just "post-production" as
> Saul would have it
> (thought there does seem to be a certain randomness
> to dreams, and
> obviously we do constantly select and interpret
> amongst everything we
> hear, see, think, etc., and so undoubtedly do this
> in response to our
> dreams as well.) . . . But as far as images are
> concerned, what seems
> to me harder to grasp is an image in thought (while
> awake). For
> example, if you right now bring to mind a friend's
> face, in what sense
> are you "seeing" it? . . . Some similar optical
> memory process, I
> guess, but entirely elusive.
>
> Marilyn Brakhage
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 20, 2008, at 03:21 AM,
> email suppressed wrote:
>
> > good point - it aint no "image", surely, rather, a
> cluster of
> > sensations ?
> > Wouldn't people say that an "image" is just a tag
> of language to
> > relate that kind of sensation?
> >
> >> ----Original Message----
> >> From: email suppressed
> >> Date: 20/07/2008 3:25
> >> To: <email suppressed>
> >> Subj: Re: Nightmare!
> >>
> >> But what, exactly, is an "image" in a dream?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat Jul 19 22:10 , Jim Carlile
> <email suppressed> sent:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 7/19/2008 6:26:07 P.M.
> Pacific Daylight Time,
> >>> email suppressed writes:
> >>> This is
> >>> bullcrap. Nobody has "nightmares" in which they
> are
> >>>> frightened
> >>> because
> >>>> they are having dreams. Nobody dreams about
> having dreams
> >>> about
> >>>> anything, let
> >>>> alone the parts they cut
> >>> out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Au contraire-- many dreams include some image
> where you have a
> > dream--
> >>> sometimes that very same dream.
> >>>
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