Re: Capturing New York's distinctive thrum

From: db (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Oct 28 2007 - 20:11:42 PDT

I disagree completely, Jim. Now if one is harassed, or concerned
about being harassed, one can acquire--free of charge-- that optional
permit, whip it out and say, "here's the rules, bub, so back off"
rather than arguing about something that hadn't been codified and
arbitrarily being detained or having your equipment confiscated
because an uninformed officer or building security guard is making up
their own rules on the spot.

In the face of the rampant paranoia that underlay the "no photography
permitted here" mantra, this is a great win.

Only time will tell which of us is correct of course. But I bet
Clayton Patterson, documentarian of the Tompkins Square Park police
riot (and receiver of police death threats for releasing his footage
to the news bureaus) is more in my camp than yours.


On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Jim Carlile wrote:

> How dumb. Some of you guys just shot yourself in the foot.
> First of all, under the "old" proposed rules, even a film crew with
> extensive equipment was allowed up to 30 minutes to film WITHOUT
> having to get a permit. Now, if you have a truck or any kind of
> obtrusive equipment, or block more than half the sidewalk, you
> gotta get a permit-- no matter WHAT.
> Smart move, guys. Under the older proposed rules, you could have
> legally gotten shots on the run. But not any more. And a permit for
> extensive equipment will STILL cost you insurance-- something the
> NYT article leaves out.
> There's no freebie time period any more.
> You guys have shafted yourselves and you don't even know it. Under
> the old rules, solo photography-- the bulk of people's concerns--
> was allowed without any limitation. So what was the big worry for
> most people?
> Remember the wise old adage, you better watch out what you wish
> for? It's sure true here.
> Even worse, these new rules will never work. They are going to get
> abused. Within a week there are going to be neighborhood complaints
> about permit-less photography for extended periods of time, and
> then guess what? The "mayor's office" will be compelled to address
> them-- which means stricter rules-- and no chance of freebies for
> organized groups. You think you've got a great deal here, but in
> reality, you blew it for small scale independent filmmaking.
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