Re: Zorns Lemma (the wince)

From: Jonathan Walley (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2007 - 14:43:23 PDT

Unfortunately, I have the MFJ issue in my office, and I'm at home now,
so am unable to consult it. However, it does have the "I thought we'd
gotten beyond..." comment, but as far as I remember, there's no
specific reference to "the wince." Just a sense that he might prefer to
talk about something else.

The piece is called "Hollis Frampton: Three Talks at Millennium," and
it also includes Frampton's awesome comment that film is the oldest,
rather than newest, art form, and has its origins in the songs of

That whole MFJ issue is terrific:

Paul Arthur's "Last of the Last Machine," Fred's "End of Avant-Garde
Film," Brakhage talks at Millennium, a very interesting piece by Noel
Carroll, a collection of transcribed comments by filmmakers during MFW
talks that's a goldmine, and the amazing sparring session between
Sitney and Le Grice. It's out of print but I imagine there are still
copies floating around the net.


Jonathan Walley
Assistant Professor
Cinema Department
Denison University
Granville, Ohio 43203
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On Apr 16, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Kevin John wrote:

> In a message dated 4/16/07 4:10:11 PM, email suppressed writes:
>> The exchange is in MFJ 16/17/18, 1986 (GREAT issue!).
> Oh my gawd! This was PUBLISHED?!? Are you talking about the same
> exact conversation that Fred mentioned? Does Frampton's wince come
> through? Our library doesn't carry MFJ else I'd check myself.
> Kevin John
> Austin
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