Re: Frameworks Decade and "vs."

From: Kevin Obsatz (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Jan 27 2007 - 09:00:20 PST

I just wanted to say that my post title "365 vs. videohaiku" was
intended as totally tongue-in-cheek.

I certainly don't have the moxie to stand toe to toe with Jonas Mekas.

Irony, I've found, is nearly impossible for me to communicate in
email, especially with strangers...


On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Captain P.J. wrote:

> I have dropped in and out of Frameworks more times than I can
> count. The thing that usually signs me off is one of these "vs."
> threads: film vs. video, Mekas vs. Lucas, politics vs. politics,
> Hollywood vs. Everyonelse, Godzilla vs. Spider-man (wait, that was
> a different forum). In fact, when I see a thread that has fifty
> responses, my first inclination is to delete all of them- I've
> learned from experience that they have become "vs." threads. It
> seems like there are so many boundaries and wars within
> "experimental film" that it doesn't even feel liberating anymore!
> How discouraging that must be to a newbie!
> I admit to being one of those "lurkers" lately. I used to write
> about works and experimental "moving images" quite a bit and now I
> feel that I simply use Frameworks (albeit rarely) to advertise my
> screenings, ask technical questions, crack jokes, etc. I think I
> sometimes forget how helpful this forum once was to someone who had
> just seen experimental works and wanted to know more (wow- seven
> years ago).
> I think part of the problem is this: http://
> When I first started this thing, I would sometimes cross-post my
> blogs on Frameworks (I think one of my Brakhage screening
> experiences was the last one I posted), but got discouraged because
> these threads generated very little discussion (unless someone was
> "correcting" me for falling outside of the increasingly (and
> ironically) defined lines of "avant-garde"). Moreover, sometimes I
> feel like summing myself up in a picture or a video clip (or
> talking about Russian rocket bodies falling out of the sky). I
> also enjoy the random wanderers. So I migrated to blogging and and
> became passive on Frameworks.
> Perhaps if a few of us started actually discussing experimental
> works again (and some people do, I might add, they just get
> buried), this list could balance itself out a little better. I
> think some "vs." chatter is okay, but honestly, I can bash
> Hollywood or politicians on almost any forum. I'll never forget
> the day I met someone in New York whose eyes got big as she
> realized, "YOU'RE Captain P.J.!?" People do read those posts, too!
> Hopefully,
> Courtney
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