You Tube / film vs video vs expanded cinema / decade & onwards

From: Jack Sargeant (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Jan 24 2007 - 18:37:58 PST

Adam - please keep me informed regarding the You Tube post you plan.
You wonder if anybody is watching, I believe that people are, perhaps
more than you imagine from my experience.

  I think that, given the compartively few screening spaces and their
locations (normally urban) versus the large number of 'filmmakers',
perhaps artists accounts on You Tube for people to post their work
could be an interesting idea. Has anybody curated a You Tube style
'film' festival yet? (I'm not necessarily volunteering, but the idea
seems interesting to me).

When we last ran the Salon in London, in 2005, we had all of the
performances and lectures shot and transformed into quicktime files
that people could download, the idea being to disseminate the works
and discussions happening to a global community. This was hard work
for our technical person, as he had to video everything, transfer the
videos to files, and post them all online as soon as they happened,
but it worked out pretty well. Of course, now they exist online in
numerous places thanks to fans / audiences pulling them off and
reposting them.

Aside from the obvious differences in the making of film vs video the
truth is many people are now watching work (created on various
formats) on DVD / video. And, I think increasingly online, thanks to
sites such as ubuweb and so on which feature numerous experimental
works. (BTW: I own a copy of Conrad's FLICKER as an enhanced CD
computer file extra that came with a CD box set of his work released
by Table of the Elements). As to how 'we' discuss film or video, 'we'
tend to focus on the process of creation, but to audiences what
matters is the ease by which they can see them, and, increasingly, at
home on the computer monitor would appear to be the answer (as a
curator I am not necessarily happy about this, but it does seem to be
what is happening).

Regarding the film / video, what should / should not be discussed
here, isn't it the notion of EXPERIMENTAL that matters to most of
those on frameworks? Surely if somebody wanted to discuss say Harry
Smith's paintings or Jack Smith's theatre then they should be able
to do so here, despite the fact that art and theatre are not film!


On 24 Jan 2007, at 17:19, Adam Trowbridge wrote:

> I'm preparing a series of video pieces to post on YouTube to see
> how that goes.
> There are interesting, disturbing things occurring on YouTube in
> terms of personal video diaries. It's as if old usenet fights
> gained a face with the web and now they happen in full motion
> video. Interactive public access cable? They're entertaining but
> I'd like to see some experimental film and work on YouTube,
> especially work that is intended to be seen at that scale/resolution.
> I had two works on Public Duck (, a "free
> video Podcast network" before it stopped updating. I wasn't sure if
> anyone was watching it but I received an invitation to submit to a
> video show in the Netherlands based on someone viewing a video on
> that site so it had some effect.
> Follow up to your question: Are people aside from Anders Weberg
> ( ) and Matthew Barney (there are several
> videos available, not by his choice, I believe) distributing video
> work through bit torrents?
> -at
> On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:32 AM, Jack Sargeant wrote:
> thanks for the link.
> i've just been watching them. i like the idea of making short
> pieces with constraints on editing etc and using them as part of a
> blog...
> just out of interest is anybody here using youtube and so on to
> 'screen' their work?
> jack
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