From: gyoungblood (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jul 11 2006 - 06:34:30 PDT
How much consideration should one give at this time to things like HD and/or
HD capable projectors (I don't know the difference), and the various new
input standards, considering that HD TV and DVDs are imminent? I don't want
to pay $5K for a projector that will be obsolete or inadequate in a couple
of years. I'm talking about a home setup, not for galleries etc. I believe
Re-Voir is planning to release an HD DVD of Kenneth Anger. That's something
I'd want to project accordingly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsu Hadeishi" <email suppressed>
To: <email suppressed>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] video projector for small-ish exhibition space?
> If you're comparing DLP to the old LCD projectors, yeah, it's a huge
> improvement. But I compared the Panasonic LCD projectors side by side
> with a
> couple of different DLPs and found the picture quite comparable --- and in
> some ways, the LCD picture looks more fluid (perhaps because all LCD
> projectors are three-chip projectors, so the picture is totally
> no switching between colors in a color wheel). But if you're projecting
> an audience I think a good LCD beats a one-chip DLP, because some people
> bound to be bothered by the rainbow effect. Three-chip DLPs, of course,
> The latest LCD projectors are rated at 2000:1 contrast and up --- which
> looks fabulous. Old-style LCD projectors were often 400:1 or less and
> look terrible by comparison...
> On Monday 10 July 2006 22:03, Ken Bawcom wrote:
>> I love DLP, much prefer it to LCD. I have a RP HD DLP monitor, with a
>> high speed color wheel, don't move my head much while watching, and
>> rarely see the rainbow effect. There is a new version, just showing up
>> on the market, that uses LED bulbs, and no color wheel. Even with a
>> single chip machine, there is no rainbow effect. Bulb life is greatly
>> extended. I don't know if this system is available yet in a projector
>> of the size you want, but it would be worth checking for.
>> Once I thought that most video formats should never be shown on a
>> theater-sized screen, because the best projection systems I had seen
>> all looked lousy to me, in all respects. Then I saw what a three-chip
>> DLP machine could do on a theater-sized screen, with just a DVD, and
>> was sold on DLP. Of course, three chip projectors are beyond the
>> capacity and price range you are looking at. I admit I haven't seen the
>> "latest cinema-oriented LCD projectors." I've also heard good things
>> about LCoS, but haven't seen it yet, either.
>> Ken B.
>> Quoting Mitsu Hadeishi <email suppressed>:
>> > I'll throw in some additional thoughts. I've done a lot of screenings
>> > in
>> > spaces about the size of what you're discussing, around 1000-2000
>> > square
>> > feet, with a projection surface of up to 120 inches diagonal. A few
>> > thoughts:
>> > DLP vs LCD:
>> > Like you I much prefer LCD, I hate the rainbow effect. Screen door
>> > effect and
>> > poor contrast are pretty much a thing of the past with the latest
>> > cinema-oriented LCD projectors. My personal preference is for
>> > Panasonic
>> > brand projectors, they have a very nice look, very fluid, but they do
>> > sometimes have some quality control problems with discoloration at the
>> > top and bottom of their LCDs.
>> > 16x9 vs 4x3:
>> > I often project 4x3 format material on a 16x9 projector and it looks
>> > fine. Frankly, almost all high-contrast projectors are 16x9, so you'll
>> > likely get the best results from the point of view of picture quality
>> > from a 16x9 projector. The 4x3 projectors tend to be more designed for
>> > office presentations and tend to be bright but have poor contrast and
>> > color fidelity.
>> > Throw range:
>> > My Panasonic is a "short throw" projector which may not be ideal for
>> > your
>> > needs. You can see throw range and screen size for most projectors on
>> > this site: http://www.projectorcentral.com/ which is also an
>> > excellent
>> > resource for projector reviews.
>> > Ambient light:
>> > As long as you have no ambient light the fact that the room does not
>> > have
>> > black walls shouldn't be a big problem.
>> > Mitsu
>> > On Monday 10 July 2006 18:22, pablo wrote:
>> >> Hey,
>> >> I posted on this about a year ago, when I was speculatively shopping
>> >> for
>> >> a video projector. Things have gone as planned and now I am definitely
>> >> planning on buying a projector for exhibition in the next few months,
>> >> so
>> >> am reposting a few questions to get some more feedback and ideas.
>> >> It will be used in a smallish exhibition setting (20 x 50 room) which
>> >> has no ambient light, but does not have black walls, so there is some
>> >> bouncing light from the screen itself. The screen is a da-lite da-mat.
>> >> We will be using dvcam or beta sp as source material, with occasional
>> >> need for laptop input. Primarily though, it will be from DVcam deck.
>> >> Most material will be in 4:3. It will all be material
>> >> originating/intended to be exhibited on video, not projections of
>> >> films
>> >> from dvds.
>> >> When I last posted, I had a lot of really good advice from Mitsu
>> >> (thanks!) but am looking for some updated advice and experiences with
>> >> specific models in a similar setting. I am looking for something in
>> >> the
>> >> mid-range I guess? Not a cheap-o travel unit, and not a $15k beast.
>> >> Maybe in the $3-5k range?
>> >> 1. dlp vs. lcd.
>> >> I hate the rainbow effect. I know some people can't see it but i can
>> >> and
>> >> it drives me crazy. I have never seen a high end lcd, so am mostly
>> >> familiar with screen door effects and weak color/contrast. Does the
>> >> faster/seven segment color wheel make a big difference? I know that 3
>> >> chip dlps do, but those are way out of price range. On another note,
>> >> anyone know anything about LCOS projectors?
>> >> 2. 4:3 or 16:9
>> >> As I can expect most people 4:3 material, so it makes sense to stick
>> >> with that, though I am finding that the best newer projectors with the
>> >> best specs and reviews are all 16:9. Some people say go 16:9 as it is
>> >> future proofing, some say stick 4:3 as it does better for both
>> >> formats.
>> >> What are the drawbacks to using a 16:9 projector for 4:3 material?
>> >> 3. Throw range
>> >> Ceiling mount is hard in this space, so ideally i would find something
>> >> strong enough and with a lens that would project a 90-96" high image
>> >> from about 35-40 feet back. Size of projector itself is not so
>> >> important
>> >> as we will not be moving this around much. tall order i know, but
>> >> throwing that out there.
>> >> Any specific ideas or models that might
>> >> thanks
>> >> Pablo
>> >> Cinema Project
>> >> Portland, Ore.
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