Re: [Frameworks] eyemo question

From: Jeff Kreines <>
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:21:06 -0500


I have seen your UP8 scans.

Recently we did some tests scanning older S8 film at different resolutions, and 16mm film too. This was to counter the prevailing wisdom that small formats don't benefit from scanning at high resolution.

At the same time, a group in Switzerland, Memoriav, had published a dossier on small-format (to them this includes 16mm) digitizing.

I wrote an illustrated response to that, including a lot of frame blow-ups from our tests.

You can download it here:

Note that it will download in the background -- then you can open the folder. Start with the PDF.

Big download, but that's the only way to really see the difference. The bigger the monitor you have to look at it on, the better.


Jeff Kreines

PS: 24 bit depth in regards to sequential jpegs really means 8-bit x 3.

On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Nicholas Kovats wrote:

> Jeff.
> Your KAS scanner sounds fascinating. I cannot find any information on
> the net regarding it's operation. Do you have a website? Have you
> pulled off all your PDFs regarding your work for the Smithsonian? Is
> your stated pixel dimensions close to 3, 3.5 or 4k resolution. We have
> still not managed to capture all the incredible information latent in
> 1 micron film particles.
> Are you under the impression I have not been able to scan my UP8
> footage? I have been getting 12 bit overscanned 2080x870 pixel x 24
> (bit depth) sequential jpegs from John Gledhill utilizes
> his own custom sprocketless 16mm transfer bay. I just received 12 bit
> scans from utlizing their custom sprocket driven
> 16mm bay. Their deliverables included 2x stacked UP8 2.8:1 frames per
> overscanned 16mm frame which I crop in Sony Vegas.
> Did you ever complete your 16/8mm desktop scanner projects?
> Cheers!
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Jesff Kreines
> <> wrote:
>> Nicholas:
>> The Kinetta Archival Scanner can can UP8 at 3296 x 1178 at 12 bits, with no modifications needed. There is one at Pip's local post house, As'Image in Paris. I'm sure they'd be happy to scan some tests for you.
>> Jeff "disclaimer: makes Kinetta Scanners" Kreines
>> On Oct 20, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Nicholas Kovats <> wrote:
>>> I have initiated a conversation with Bruce of the possibility of
>>> converting an Eclair ACL to UltraPan8 format which utilizes a native
>>> format with an aspect ratio = 2.8:1
>>> Cheers!
>>> Nicholas
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