Re: [Frameworks] B&W innerneg

From: Lyra Hill (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Nov 17 2010 - 06:25:35 PST

Thanks Andrew! This is really helpful. I do have a lot of Plus-x I bought
before they discontinued it, so I might use that. My project shouldn't end
up being more than 300 ft. What would 'that look' be if I used Plus-x or
Double-x as a master pos/interneg? One friend told me it would increase
grain; do you know if that's true? I'm trying to keep as much of this
process in my hands as possible to reduce cost. Do you know if Sebastian
sells small amounts of 7366/7234? I will ask him.
Thanks again,

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:30 AM, andrew lennox <email suppressed> wrote:

> hi lyra,
> super 8 plus x -> 7366 (this is a master positive)
> 7366->7234 or 3234
> 3/7234 -> 3302
> talk to sebastjan @ niagara custom lab. he's got the master pos and
> interneg. he will run tests for you and you can use what is specific to
> your job rather than a full 1000' can (im not sure the length of the
> project). this is the best way to keep down contrast and grain. ive used
> plus x as an interneg before and seen double-x on other people's work. it
> depends if you want that look but it sounds like you want as close a
> reproduction as possible. master pos/interneg is the traditional way. for
> sure i would recommend against making your release prints on 3383 from the
> master bw interneg. also, plus-x neg is discontinued so it's either
> interneg or double-x, unless you have/find plus-x. anyway, good luck, i
> really suggest talking to sebastjan though if you have the money. he will
> give you the best price you can find. he's great about doing tests and
> working with you.
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> *From:* Lyra Hill <email suppressed>
> *To:* Frameworks <email suppressed>
> *Sent:* Tue, November 16, 2010 4:29:21 PM
> *Subject:* [Frameworks] B&W innerneg
> Hi everybody,
> I have a pretty simple question about the value of B&W innerneg (I'm
> thinking specifically about Kodak 3234, because you can buy 1000ft of it) as
> opposed to B&W negative stock in regards to tone-rendering capacity. I am in
> a situation in which it is necessary for me to make several intermediate
> steps in arriving at my goal, and I would like the finished film strip to be
> as rich as my current negative. Here's what I'm doing:
> I have some Super8 Plus-X that I have developed as negative. I plan on
> printing that on a JK, editing my footage in this process. I then will have
> to make an intermediate negative of this positive print, in order to have a
> master negative from which to pull multiple married prints.
> As stated before, it is important to me to retain as much tonality as
> possible through these steps. I would also prefer to stick to B&W stock;
> while I may end up printing to 3383 for the married prints, I'm not keen on
> color testing for each step in order to maintain desaturation.
> I worked it out and the 3234 innerneg that Kodak offers is about the same
> price as Double-X. Purchasing a small amount of Double-X is more manageable
> right now than figuring out how to convince my friends to go in on 1000 ft
> of innerneg. If I use Double-X as an intermediate negative, will I maintain
> the same richness? I also have 800ft of negative Plus-X that I've been
> hoarding. When it comes to Double-X vs. Plus-X, which stock would be better
> for this use?
> Thank you,
> Lyra Hill
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