Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!

From: willie be (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Oct 15 2010 - 01:21:14 PDT

To fight the Empire is to be infected by its derangement. This is a paradox:
whoever defeats a segment of the Empire becomes the Empire; it proliferates
like a virus, imposing its form on its enemies. Thereby it becomes its
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Anna Biller <email suppressed>wrote:

> They may not have access to prints, but if they really cared and
> wanted to support experimental film they could buy an inexpensive
> Brakhage DVD on Amazon and have it shipped to them internationally,
> and then Marilyn Brakhage could make a dollar or two or fifty cents
> which would be nice. If no one pays for anything and everyone insists
> on getting everything for free, we will ONLY have the corporations and
> the work they produce, because no one else will be able to afford to
> produce anything.
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Fred Camper wrote:
> > I have to largely agree with Beth here -- as is well known, people
> > whose last names begin with "Ca" are unusually smart.
> >
> > I do think that artists should be able to have their work removed from
> > the 'Net if they request it, but as I understand it most cites, Ubu
> > included, were doing that. At the same time, once a cultural product
> > has been put out in the world, and has influenced others, it should
> > not solely be considered the "property" of its maker at least in moral
> > terms, even if, legally, it is, because it has become part of the
> > discourse.
> >
> > Quoting Beth Capper <email suppressed>:
> >
> >> The bad image is perhaps more of an incentive
> >> to see a pristine print....
> >
> > I think I posted confirming this a few years back. I was invited to
> > present six programs of Brakhage films in Rio de Janeiro. Nobody could
> > remember the last time Brakhage in prints were in that great city. I
> > carried most of them; some were shipped. The shows wend splendidly.
> > And many of the people there told me that their interest in Brakhage
> > had been stimulated by the horrible (and, presumably, illegal) copies
> > they had seen on the 'Net. They knew these were bad versions, but were
> > at the least intrigued, and really wanted to see the real thing.
> >
> > The fact is that prints of the "classics" of our field are just not
> > available in most of the world, especially the world outside of the
> > US, Canada, Europe, Australia, and Japan.
> >
> > Fred Camper
> > Chicago
> >
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