Re: [Frameworks] First time experiment, need words from the wise

From: jo dery (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Sep 22 2010 - 13:50:53 PDT

Didn't read through all these posts - but in case someone hasn't mentioned this:

I made a film with photocopy transfers using this type of blender marker, available at most art supply stores. Advice: wear a mask - it will make you lightheaded, and you will need a few!

Best of luck! - Jo Dery

Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:57:24 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] First time experiment, need words from the wise

Wonderful, thanks Jodie, Rick and ZZZ... Jodie, the tape transfer intrigues me... we'll see if it is a success over here. I'd like to try newspaper. Z, did the hair dryer give you the cracks? I like it, esp those pinks! That's the density I'd like to achieve. All of that is with rapidograph?

Thank you kindly!
MallaryCut + Run Tour

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Zachary Iannazzi <email suppressed> wrote:


I really like the rapidograph inks,

You can buy just the cartridges

(they look like this-

I just got a box a few weeks ago from here-

scroll down,

you want Part#:*

which is,

"3/4 OZ Universal Ink, Available in Black, White & 8 transparent colors (Carmine

Red, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Brown). Pigmented. Media:

Drafting Film, Absorbent Paper. Drying time: Fast "

and you can see what they look like over here,

don't forget the hair dryer!


Quoting Jodie Mack <email suppressed>:


> Mallary,




> Doc Marten dyes produce vivid, saturated colors, and so do

> the inks from the felt/plastic cylinders inside permanent markers. (Rip

> markers

> open with your teeth and then squeeze away.)




> With the right copier, you can Xerox film through the side

> feeder. Use 11x17 paper, cut strips of film, tape them down, and side feed

> away. The copier will jam at times, but it is really fun. Clear leader will

> also take ink from a laser printer. (Inkjet will smear and wash away, which,

> of

> course, is a worthwhile thing).




> Another option: tape/ink transfer. Apply tape to printed

> paper (again, no inkjet). Submerge the paper in water. Wait a few minutes.

> Separate the pieces of tape. Rub off the paper pulp with your fingers (you

> might have to submerge it a few more times to get it nice and clean). Apply

> the

> wet tape to film, and leave it to dry. (1/2 inch tape fits 16mm perfectly

> without covering the left sprockets!). This process makes for thick film.

> But,

> as long as you lay it flat to dry, it works pretty well.




> Send all of your stuff to Seb at Niagara Custom Lab. He’ll

> strike you an interneg from which you can make the rest of your positive

> prints. He’s completely handmade-friendly and will touch things no other lab

> will. His prices are also righteously reasonable!





> Also, if you haven’t already, it seems like

> you’re ready to score a copy of “Recipes for Disaster—a Handcrafted Film

> Cookbooklet,” a valuable jewel of a document put out by the legendary Helen

> Hill a few years back. This was online at some point, but now I can’t find

> it.

> I have copies if you want.


> JM

> NEW Hampshire


> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:37:50 -0700

> From: email suppressed

> To: email suppressed

> Subject: [Frameworks] First time experiment, need words from the wise


> Hi Frameworkers,

> I've got some concerns/queries about a current project. For my first hand

> painted film, I'm using glass paint on clear estar 16mm and also I'm

> experimenting with flower petals, leaves, things of that nature. The

> particles I'm using are thin and light, so I haven't had any problems (yet)

> with bits chipping off or getting jammed in the projector. I want to use

> layers with great textures.


> I wondered if anyone had any other recommendation for paint, or ink, or

> stains. The glass paint I'm using is doing an OK job, but it dries really

> thin, so I have to keep layering it. Obviously I don't want to layer it too

> much, but I want the colors to be bold, thick and loud. I'd like to refrain

> from using acrylic or oils.


> Then I wondered also, much like painters can use gesso to transfer an image

> (newspapers/xerox copies), is there anything that can be done similarly?

> Entirely camera-less and without an optical printer?


> Lastly my biggest concern is the workprint/telecine. Who will even do a

> workprint on such a risky film? Someone told me they "wouldn't touch it with

> a ten foot pole." But these films are made often, right? So someone has to do

> it? Or is to assume this naive?


> Any help on any of these questions would be sincerely appreciated...

> Thank you.

> Mallary Cut + Run Tour


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