Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary

From: Matt Helme (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Jul 19 2010 - 17:06:32 PDT

O.K. if by experimental you mean mainstream. Matt ________________________________ From: "Gawthrop, Rob" <email suppressed> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:35:20 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary It’s as mainstream to documentary as L’age D’or is to the feature film. Also compare it to Misère au Borinage by Joris Ivens & Henri Storck. The relationship between experimental and political is pertinent here. As is the personal and the poetic. And Rudy Burckhardt, Jean Painlevé, Fred Wiseman and everything by Joris Ivens, Dziga Vertov... Coal Face Nightmail and others from the GPO film unit plus various other British films from the 30s, (compiled on “Before Hindsight” Jonathon Lewis & Elizabeth Taylor-Mead 1977. see “Traditions of Independence” Ed Don Macpherson 1980 (BFI, London) and “Deadly Parallels” Bert Hogenhamp 1986 (Lawrence & Wishart, London) Rob On 18/07/2010 01:22, "Matt Helme" <email suppressed> wrote: Land Without Bred seems rather mainstream, what do we mean by experimental. What about Kubelka? "Our Trip to Africa". An most work by Mekas. >Matt > > ________________________________ From: elizabeth mcmahon <email suppressed> >To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed> >Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 6:34:31 PM >Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary > >Errol Morris' "The Thin Blue Line" >Wiseman's "Titicut Follies" >Shirley Clarke & Willard Van Dyke's "Skyscraper" >Clarke's "The Connection" > > >Elizabeth > >--- On Sat, 7/17/10, elizabeth mcmahon <email suppressed> wrote: > > >>From: elizabeth mcmahon <email suppressed> >>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary >>To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed> >>Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 6:19 PM >> >>Frampton's "Magellan: At the Gates of Death" >>Bunuel's "Las Hurdes: Land Without Bread" >>Manny Kirchheimer’s "Claw " >>Marjorie Keller’s "Misconception" >> >>Elizabeth >> >>On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM, David Tetzlaff >><email suppressed> >> > wrote: >>> >>>Joris Ivens - Rain Walter Ruttmann - Berlin >>>>Maya deren - Meditation on Violence >>>>Brakhage - Sirius Remembered, Window Water Baby Moving... >>>>Hollis Frampton - 9nostalgia0 >>>>Chris Marker - Sand Soleil >>>>Craig Baldwin - Sonic Outlaws >>>>Peter Hutton - Skagafjordur >>>>Jem Cohen - Little Flags, Lost Book Found >>>> >>>> >>>>A note of caution: when 'experimental' makers point their cameras at 'real >>>>people in the real world' they sometimes reveal an extraordinary naivete about >>>>the socio-political 'loadedness' of the subjects at hand: c.f. I would avoid >>>>Naomi Uman's 'Leche' and 'Mala Leche' like the plague. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>FrameWorks mailing list >>>>email suppressed> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>-----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>FrameWorks mailing list >>email suppressed >><> >> >> >> >

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