Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary

From: elizabeth mcmahon (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jul 18 2010 - 03:57:26 PDT

Holly Fisher should be included (e.g. "Kalama Sutta")
Meredith Monk's "Ellis Island"
Richard Serra's "Railroad Turnbridge"


--- On Sun, 7/18/10, Beth Capper <email suppressed> wrote:

From: Beth Capper <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 3:32 AM

Rosselini's India Matri Bhumi
Michelle Citron's Daughter Rite

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Matt Helme <email suppressed> wrote:

"Taris" by Vigo is a good one."Don't Look Back" by Pennebaker probably qualifies because it represented a new and groundbreaking way to make a film at the time.

From: James Kreul <email suppressed>

To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 9:07:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary

Not to start arguments within the thread, but...

I agree with David T's general point about ideology and the camera, but I'm not sure if I agree that Naomi Uman's films should be avoided.  But it has been a while since I've seen them and perhaps I should hear more reactions to them.  Perhaps her more recent Ukrainian films would be interesting to look at in relation to some of the objections to her earlier poetic/portrait docs (since part of the idea for the project was to explore the land of her own ancestry).

I think Shirley Clarke's The Connection probably pushes the definition of doc too far (a staged adaptation of a play filmed in a studio set), but Clarke's Portrait of Jason might make a good substitution for it.

Other suggestions probably already thought of or mentioned:

Warhol's screen tests, and Bufferin (and many others)
George Kuchar's Weather Diaries (and many many many others)
Peggy Awhesh's Martina's Playhouse
Jean Vigo, A propos de Nice
Santiago Alvarez

I just watched Lionel Rogosin's "Good Times, Wonderful Times" which might not strictly fit the definition here, and I had mixed feelings about it, but it might be useful in such a class.

James Kreul
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