From: Myron Ort (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Apr 26 2010 - 14:06:32 PDT
Yes,
My whole collection of vintage 16mm projectors all seem to loose the
loop more often than not, and after collecting and reading repair
manuals.....I don't have enough time in my life anymore.... not sure
there are reliable repairmen around either...
If you think the Cagian soundtrack of 16mm is cool, you should hear
the clanking of my portable Devry 35mm projector with the feed and
take up reels on the same shaft inside....but the thing is indeed
portable.... weighs less than a b&h sound projector.
I may show some things on it as a "Steam Punk" novelty for the kids
out there..... (bringing up the bulb and the motor on separate buit-
in fire hazard rheostats)....
then there is the expense and fragility of making prints to thread
into these behemoths.....
it just don't make so much sense anymore in this age of give your art
away for free on the internet .....
For live shows, I am thinking someofeach.... some digital, and a
couple of novelty shows with the projector/sewing machine/locomotive
technology as well. That means I have to perform exotic nervous
projector threading on stage so to speak....argh! when I'd rather be
socializing or making up metaphorical nonsense about my films to
satisfy all those narrative hungry uninformed curiosity seekers.....
Myron Ort
On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:38 PM, JEFFREY PAULL wrote:
> I will not miss the "hand-made" look of 16mm, meaning:
> - gate weave,
> - the sparkly dots of dirt on the neg used, to make the print
> - SLIGHTLY soft image on the screen,
> - frame line showing on the screen,
> - "rain",
> - hair-in-the-gate, ( - and the thrill of trying to remove it
> while the film is running!)
> - lack of both top and bottom octaves on the track,
> - the John Cage music of the old 16mm Bell & Howells,
> - Loose-The-Loop SURPRISE!
> - and, of course, the shlepping of cast steel projector and
> separate speaker case.
> - and I always loved the feel of threading the film by hand!
>
> - Jeffrey Paull
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon 26/04/10 14:53 , Jeff Kreines email suppressed sent:
>> I have a feeling that digital projection using consumer projectors
>> will be
>>
>> replacing 16mm projection more quickly than most of us would like
>> -- there
>>
>> is very little 16mm release printing going on these days. With
>> the death
>> of
>> reversal stocks, 16mm release prints are either made off of the
>> original
>>
>> negative (which is dangerous and more expensive) or off of dupe
>> negs --
>>
>> which add two generations to the process (IP and dupe neg) and
>> greatly
>>
>> reduce quality.
>>
>>
>>
>> DVD and BluRay are not the solution, at least not at the moment, I
>> don't
>>
>> think.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some very good codecs that do not need fast computers or
>> hard
>>
>> drives to play back high resolution files at 24 fps. I like the
>> Cineform
>>
>> codecs a lot -- and we use them with the Kinetta Archival
>> scanners. You
>> can
>> capture at greater-than-HD resolutions (we use 2.4K x 2K for our
>> smaller
>>
>> scanner, 4K x 3K for the big one) and set playback at whatever
>> speed you'd
>>
>> like -- so those working at 12-16-18 fps can get real 12-16-18 fps
>>
>> projection, not always simple with film projectors. You also get the
>>
>> advantages of 10 bit log rather than 8 bit images.
>>
>>
>>
>> We use to travel with projectors and speakers and amps and an EQ
>> with room
>>
>> analyzer -- a pain. I could see easily travelling with a bright
>> digital
>>
>> projector and a small computer to feed it -- or a dedicated box
>> like WDTV
>> or
>> similar, even Apple TV is ok but limited right now to 720P.
>>
>>
>>
>> For those of us wanting to use every pixel for 4:3 film
>> projection, an
>>
>> expensive option would be to use a 1.33x anamorphic projection
>> lens rotated
>>
>> 90 degrees, and stretch the image electronically so that 1920 x
>> 1080 with
>>
>> squeeze projects as the equivalent of 1920 x 1440 through the
>> lens. (These
>>
>> lenses are not yet affordable.)
>>
>>
>>
>> There will be 4K projectors from EPSON in the next year or so that
>> should
>> be
>> in the high-end consumer price range -- these might be amazing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I love film projection. I wish I could foresee a long life for it,
>>
>> especially in 16mm. But Kodak seems to care only about cheap ink-jet
>>
>> printer ink these days -- IDIOTS! -- so we will have to improvise
>> and find
>> a
>> replacement that doesn't lose the qualities that are important to
>> us all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff "still has many 16mm projectors" Kreines
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Myron Ort" email suppressed
>>>
>> To: F
>> email suppressed>
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:18 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Digital projection Basic questions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Anyone have experience using consumer level digital
>> projectors?
>>>
>>
>>> Is it possible to project a "film" file that is less
>> compressed than what
>>> seems to be necessary for a DVD?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Any tips or ideas would be educational for me at this
>> point.
>>>
>>
>>> Any recommended equipment and reasons?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Myron Ort
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
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