Re: kodachrome developing b/w AND REM-JET removal

From: vassily bourikas (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Mar 31 2010 - 16:56:50 PDT

Hello Viktoria, Jeffrey, Ed,

First of all thank you for bringing up this topics again, matters were not really clarified last time both subjects were discussed here a while ago.

I hope that more frameworkers will contribute information regarding the development of Kodakchrome as b/w reversal or even as b/w negative. I appreciate too that it is a beautiful stock but when one lives in Europe it is not so easy to post to Kansas. I have relocated to Greece recently because of work and with the economic crisis here it is even more difficult for most people to shoot film, let alone post it to the US for development. And in any case there are friends here who have really old exposed or unexposed Kodakchromes. If I am not mistaken Dwayne's will not process cartridges that expired in the previous century.

I have not very much to contribute at the moment but if any of you has suggestions I do own some relatively fresh 16mm and super8 Kodakchromes that I could test these suggestions with and get back to you with the results.

My first and only attempt so far was unsuccessful. I processed a cartridge of Kodakchrome as b/w negative using TMAX and all I got was just a clear leader (after removing the rem-jet). Any comments on why this could have happened would be very welcome. I did not get even a hint of an image and I used two different cameras. That one was

As far as rem-jet is concerned I have processed Fujichrome in 3 different occasions using E6 and removed the rem-jet afterward. It was not as hard as doing it in the dark would be, I guess. I used a silk handkerchief in a bathtub full of water, it is a little time consuming but it did not smear at all.

Looking forward to any info on the subjects and thanks again for bringing it up.

Vassily Bourikas

On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:07 PM, JEFFREY PAULL <email suppressed> wrote:

> Unfortunately, unlike all other colour films, Kodachrome brand has its colours added in the Kodachrome chemicals,
> so there are no colour molecules in the film itself. So there's no way to get any colour, regardless of any surprise renditions'
> even if you developed it in any brands of E-6 or C-41 colour kits.
> Kodachrome, because it's assumed to be processed in industrial machines on an industrial scale,
> has a backing or coating made out of carbon "dust" in a water-soluable base.
> The industrial machines clean this off in a way that this "paint" doesn't stick to the film as it moves along the process.
> On a personal scale, you'd have to remove this backing, in complete blackness, with a small wet rag.
> And you'd have to do this along the whole long wet strip of film without schmeering any of this
> wet black "paint" on the image.
> It can be done, but you'd have to have some sort of set-up and practice (and disappointment and gloppy pictures first)
> before you got the hand of it.
> Maybe somebody else knows easier ways to get rid of that black layer that's called a REM-jet layer.
> Jeffrey Paull
> On Tue 30/03/10 15:52 , Viktoria schmid email suppressed sent:
>> has anyone experience with developing kodachromefilms with especially
>> foma-b/w-chemistry or any other b/w-chemistry?are there any nice
>> effects or will it be just a normal black and white film? I know
>> it's a shame to waste the nice colour-stock, but I can't
>> afford it to send it to Kansas...
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