Re: Stan Brakhage Copyrights _Experimental sound-art

From: Peiman Khosravi (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Oct 19 2009 - 11:35:33 PDT


Correct typo:

spatial *reality



On 19 Oct 2009, at 19:32, Peiman Khosravi wrote:

> Hello,
> I forgot to press reply to all before. So here is my reply again :-)
> Thanks for your reply.
> My thesis does not actually focus on this subject. The main topic of
> my thesis is about the conception and perception of spectral space
> in electroacoustic music. I have written a paper on this, published
> on the EMS website if you are interested:
> In a way my main interest is compositional here. I have not been
> advices by my supervisor (Denis Smalley) to carry out this project,
> it is purely born out of my personal interest in audio/visual
> relationships and the route I want to take in the near future.
> Naturally this interest relates to my attitude towards musical
> composition, which is discussed in my thesis. As part of my research
> into spectral space I have realized that there is no such thing as a
> purely sonic experience (although we often turn the lights off and
> focus on the "listening experience"). Spectral space is an aspect of
> spatial totality in music and the conception of it is largely ruled
> by our perception of spatial really in the world, which in turn
> brings out the question of visual experience. Note that we also deal
> with perspectival space in ea music, in addition to spectral space
> (frequency range, register or height).
> It is my understanding that Brakhage is visually dealing with
> similar ideas that we are dealing with in EA music and that a
> marriage of the two (or at least an attempt to relate the two) could
> prove interesting as a project.
> I would be very interested to hear your views and why you believe
> this to be a "misbegotten project". In your reply I can only read
> between the lines since there is no real critical commentary.
> Best,
> Peiman
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 15:58, Tony Conrad wrote:
>> Hi Peiman-------
>> This is such a misbegotten project that I hardly know where to
>> begin. If as you
>> say you are actually a PhD student (of something), and this is
>> "part of my
>> research/creative interest in transmodality (multi sensual
>> perception) of musical
>> experience, particularly with regard to the creation of musical
>> space" and "part
>> of my composition portfolio, and discussed in my thesis", your
>> project certainly
>> impugns the credentials or advisement capabilities of your thesis
>> adviser.
>> Riding this jejune project on Brakhage's back does no credit to
>> either of you.
>> --------------t0ny
>> On Sat 10/17/09 9:21 AM , Peiman Khosravi email suppressed
>> sent:
>>> Dear All,
>>> This is my first post here so apologies if this is not the place for
>>> it.
>>> I am a PhD student at City University London, focusing my research
>>> and
>>> practice in studio based Electroacoustic music composition. At the
>>> moment I am exploring audio/visual relationships as part of my
>>> research/creative interest in transmodality (multi sensual
>>> perception)
>>> of musical experience, particularly with regard to the creation of
>>> musical space. As a result I am interested in creating an acoustic
>>> counterpart to part II of Brakhage's "Dog Star Man". Once
>>> completed this will be part of my composition portfolio, and
>>> discussed in my
>>> thesis. It may also be played in presentations/concerts.
>>> This will not be a conventional soundtrack, nor does it intend to be
>>> in anyway representative of -or remain true to- Brakhage's original
>>> work, which I understand and agree that should be watched in
>>> silence.
>>> The project will be my attempt to create a new work born out of a
>>> network of audio/visual relationships. Naturally this will
>>> reinterpret
>>> the original film, acoustically magnifying certain visual aspects
>>> that
>>> are formally dominant in my experience of the work.
>>> As it happens I have come to realize that Brakhage is one of the
>>> most
>>> "musical" filmmakers and working with his films would be like re-
>>> interpreting a piece of Bach: the work already contains and
>>> represents
>>> a very pure form of musical thinking. For this reason it will no
>>> doubt
>>> be a challenge and may prove impossible for me to complete, or
>>> arouse
>>> other's criticism. However, I cannot avoid a challenge when I see
>>> one!
>>> In short I am writing here with two questions:
>>> 1- Could someone please clarify for me the issue of copyrights with
>>> Brakhage's works and point me to the right direction for getting
>>> permissions for this project.
>>> 2- Any ideas and suggestions are more than welcomed... as I am not a
>>> filmmaker your ideas will for sure be very helpful to me.
>>> Many thanks in advance.
>>> Best,
>>> Peiman
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