From: Myron Ort (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Jun 29 2009 - 13:09:42 PDT
That is some interesting history you have dug up.
Makes me think that maybe "multiple exposure" is the essence of
cinematic collage as well as a way of getting to the essence of
Cubism. I am sure that is what I was thinking in the 60s when I was
involved in both.
Myron Ort
On Jun 29, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Bruce Checefsky wrote:
> There were many attempts at film collage early in the 20th C. but
> not all were successful. By the 1920's, filmmakers (mainly
> European) were combining film with other materials (paint, for
> example), removing the surface of the film, or double and triple
> printing of the negative. For example, Hungarian Dada artist and
> avant-garde filmmaker György Gerö , born in 1905, initiated and
> made the first Hungarian avantgarde film based on a book by Lajos
> Kassák. It was essentially a cinema collage, multiple images on a
> single frame. His filmproject Bela was published in the magazine
> IS, 1924. Gerö designed his own vision, according to which only a
> few techniques correspond to the actual nature of film. The
> original scene-by-scene film script and complete scenario of the
> film consist of 3 pages currently housed in the Hungarian National
> Library. The film was never made. I’m currently working to produce
> his film.
>
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> Ballet Mechanique, Emak Bakia and Le Retour a la Raison would be
> among the
> earliest collage films, if the term is understood as the moving image
> equivalent of work in other media by Picabia, Picasso, Hans Arp, Raoul
> Hausmann and Kurt Schwitters.
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> From: "Myron Ort" <email suppressed>
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>
>> montage, collage, .... this gets confusing.
>>
>> putting movie shots together, whatever the source (found footage,
>> stock
>> footage, newly shot footage, or otherwise), is generally called
>> montage
>> or "editing", is it not?
>>
>> "Collage Animation" to me suggests art collage inspired films
>> like those
>> of Joseph Cornell, Harry Smith, Robert Breer, Larry Jordan, and
>> perhaps
>> other even earlier examples.
>>
>> "Collage" in film would be to me something like the circular
>> punched
>> out baby image fastened into a circular hole on another image
>> exampled in
>> Brakhage's "Dog Star Man", or for that matter the work done to
>> make his
>> "Mothlight" and "Garden of Earthly Delights".
>>
>>
>> To me the term "collage film form" might be problematic.
>>
>> Myron Ort
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2009, at 5:51 AM, William Kaizen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Can anybody point me to any good academic references or other solid
>>> references on the history of collage film? I am especially
>>> interested
>>> in when, historically, the term collage first became associated with
>>> cinema rather than works on paper or canvas, and in the
>>> differentiation historically between cinematic montage and the
>>> use of
>>> cinematic collage, including the appropriation of found footage. Was
>>> the term in use in the late 1950s and early 1960s when filmmakers
>>> like
>>> Robert Breer and others began experimenting with the collage film
>>> form, or was it applied by later artists and/or scholars?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any thoughts or ideas!
>>>
>>> --- Bill
>>>
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