Re: Frameworks as academic example

From: Adam Hyman (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jun 28 2009 - 09:20:31 PDT

I would think that due to the topic of the book, he wonıt be making a lot of
money off of it, if hardly anything.
And I infer that you are using the term ³open source² in a manner to mean
something like ³creative commons,² or freely available to others to use.

But more to the point, (and I have not seen the book), it sounds like he
used the discussion as evidence within a topic of his. This is clearly Fair
Use, and a parallel (in my view) to quoting from someone elseıs book when
you are writing an essay or a book on that writing.

As the Frameworks discussions are all freely available online through
Flicker, they can be seen de facto as Open Source already. And Lucas is
under no obligation (not even ethical) to make his contextual writing on the
topic freely available. Unless you think that every book of film or art or
literature criticism that quotes from other sources should also be open
source. But one could of course write an essay or book quoting from Lucasıs
writing under the same Fair Use. So his writing (using short sections of it
in the context of a discussion on the topic) is in that way ³open source.²


On 6/28/09 8:26 AM, "Cari Machet" <email suppressed> wrote:

> interesting circularly
> especially because he makes money off of the publication of frameworks writing
> and analysis
> HE has a copyright of course
> does the discussion go into open source?
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> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Chuck Kleinhans <email suppressed>
> wrote:
>> In a short chapter in his new book Inherent Vice: Bootleg Histories of
>> Videotape and Copyrights (Duke U Press, 2009) Lucas Hilderbrand uses a 2006
>> discussion thread on Frameworks to study differences in understanding video
>> copies.  A Frameworker from Portugal asked about getting copies of Peter
>> Kubelka's work.  David Tetzlaff defended bootlegs and Fred Camper criticized
>> them.  Others joined in including discussion of Ubuweb, etc.
>> The book considers analogue copying via videotape to discuss larger issues
>> about the use and perception of media.  Hilderbrand is an assistant professor
>> at U of CA Irvine.
>> Frameworks does provide an ongoing archive of various arguments and attitudes
>> about experimental media and is interesting because so many different people
>> and forms are used in some of the perennial discussions and issues.  There's
>> probably room for a more pathological analysis of some "debates."
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
> __________________________________________________________________ For info on
> FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.

For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.