Re: Lucifer Rising?

From: Jack Sargeant (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Apr 24 2009 - 17:51:53 PDT


http://www.beausoleil.net/mminterview.html

there's an interview with Bobby here where he talks about his
involvements with everything from Love (the band) through to his own
music and his work with Anger, both originally (in the '60s) and
later when he wrote and recorded the soundtrack (in the '70s). It's
well worth reading.

Jack

On 25 Apr 2009, at 02:00, Ben Barton wrote:

> Hello -
>
> There are different versions of nearly all of Anger's old films -
> unlike most filmmakers he constantly re-visits and tweaks them!
>
> The two discs brought out a few years ago by Fantoma were just
> great. They include both versions of Rabbit's Moon.
>
> There are lots of versions of 'Pleasure Dome' - the soundtrack has
> changed several times - plus there was a three-screen version.
> 'Puce Moment' has had various soundtracks over the years too.
>
> The only differences I remember in 'Fireworks' are two versions -
> one with the opening monologue and the other one without, with
> slightly different opening titles... I seem to remember the VHS
> version from the 80s being different to the recent Fantoma
> release. As for Fireworks having "scenes I hadn't seen before" - I
> have noticed this effect myself. But think it is more to do with
> the multi-layered nature of this film, rather than different
> versions of the film itself... I'm sure it's just the titles
> which change....
>
> Ben Barton
>
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Freya <email suppressed>
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: Lucifer Rising?
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:27:28 -0700
>>
>>
>> Sorry I've not been able to stay in touch with this thread but I'm
>> very busy right now, however I'm amazed to see that there are so
>> many different versions of Lucifer rising out there! Lucifer rising
>> is one of my favourite if not the favourite kenneth anger movie of
>> mine and I would love to see all these versions! I knew the Jimmy
>> Page soundtrack was available on a bootleg lp but had no idea it
>> was ever actually used in a version of the film. I always thought
>> that it was supposed to go with the original Lucifer Rising and
>> then years later Kenneth remade it with the new soundtrack after he
>> managed to get funding for the new film. Here we can see there is a
>> little bit of a continum with the project and it wasn't quite as
>> seperated as I had imagined!
>>
>> From the sound of it there are very different versions of the film
>> out ther e and I think it would make for a completely amazing
>> Lucifer Rising DVD. A whole DVD just of Lucifer Rising films how
>> amazing would that be! Maybe someone here could make it happen. :)
>>
>> I also found intresting the additional information that only the
>> cans marked Bobby were taken and destroyed as that puts a new spin
>> on things, that Bobby wanted to destroy his own participation in
>> the work rather than destroy Angers work totally. Not that it makes
>> much difference but it implies some further motivation or
>> rationalisation than I had been led to believe.
>>
>> As the film is shot in colour I'm really intrested in the idea of a
>> hand tinted version! Has anyone here seen any of the versions
>> listed below?
>>
>> Lastly how many other versions are there of Kenneths films? I've
>> seen different versions of rabbits moon but does anyone know if
>> there are different versions of Fireworks? I know it seems the
>> least likely to exist in different versions but I watched a print a
>> couple of years ago which seemed to include scenes I hadn't seen
>> before! Still wondering if I was imagining it!
>>
>> Intresting stuff! :)
>>
>> love
>>
>> Freya
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Jack Sargeant <email suppressed> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Jack Sargeant <email suppressed>
>>> Subject: Re: Lucifer Rising?
>>> To: email suppressed
>>> Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 3:30 AM
>>> Did the BFI have the Jimmy Page
>>> version? or is that just in my imagination?
>>> Bobby B's soundtrack (the final version) is the better I
>>> think.
>>> Jack
>>> On 24 Apr 2009, at 06:38, Alex Lake wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know the School of the Art Institute of Chicago has
>>> multiple
>>>> versions of Lucifer in it's collection, including
>>> Anger's workprint.
>>>>> They are listed as follows:
>>>> Lucifer rising. Chapter one: Magical surprise package
>>> from London. 1970.
>>>> Lucifer rising. War Department version. 1973.
>>>> Lucifer rising. Hand-tinted version. 1973.
>>>> Lucifer rising. Jimmy Page soundtrack version. 1973.
>>>> Lucifer rising. Work print. 1981.
>>>> Lucifer rising. Final definitive version. 1981.
>>>>> The listings for the Hand-tinted and the War
>>> Department versions note
>>>> that the music is Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother.
>>>>> I have only seen the prints of Magical Surprise
>>> Package, which I
>>>> cannot remember the sound for, and the Final version
>>> with the
>>>> Beausoleil soundtrack.
>>>>> Hope this is helpful...
>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Ben Barton <email suppressed>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Freya -
>>>>>>> You are confusing the two productions - yes the
>>> first 'Lucifer' did become 'Invocation' - apparently using
>>> the outtakes (if you believe that particular Anger yarn!)
>>>>>>> But a version of the second film, with the Jimmy
>>> Page soundtrack did indeed exist. Anger screened it a few
>>> times, i seem to remember. It was incomplete and he screened
>>> it to raise more funding.... In fact the bootleg album
>>> of Jimmy's soundtrack was ripped from an early print...
>>>>>>> Don't know if it is still available though - it's
>>> not one of my favourite Anger films, so I have never really
>>> tracked that one down.
>>>>>>> Ben Barton
>>>>>>>>> p.s. While we're on the Anger subject
>>> - does anyone know of one of Anger's early (teenage)
>>> films - called 'Escape Episode' or 'Demigods'. Some
>>> people say it's lost forever - others that Anger indeed has
>>> copies - but won't share. Any one know any more?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Freya <email suppressed>
>>>>>> To: email suppressed
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Lucifer Rising?
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:37:49 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought there were never actually prints
>>> made because that
>>>>>> version of Lucifer Rising was destroyed
>>> apparently and supposedly
>>>>>> was buried in a hole in the desert according
>>> to one of those Anger
>>>>>> stories. :)
>>>>>>>>> After that Invocation of my demon brother was
>>> thrown together from
>>>>>> the out-takes and the new Lucifer Rising was a
>>> remake! ;)
>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>> Freya
>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Raymond Salvatore Harmon
>>> <email suppressed>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> From: Raymond Salvatore Harmon <email suppressed>
>>>>>>> Subject: Lucifer Rising?
>>>>>>> To: email suppressed
>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know of existing prints
>>> available of Kenneth
>>>>>>> Anger's original version of Lucifer
>>> Rising, with the Jimmy
>>>>>>> Page soundtrack? The 1973 version, not the
>>> second version
>>>>>>> from the 80s.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yours
>>>>>>>>>>> Raymond Salvatore Harmon
>>>>>>> raymondharmon.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
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