Re: Experimental films showing at various Universities

From: Beth Capper (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Nov 27 2008 - 07:26:36 PST

The main problem, in my humble opinion (as a student at the Art Institute of
Chicago) is that art schools don't require that students be intellectually
challenged. They let them tinker about in studios, often with no guidance or
real teaching, and there is no suggestion that these students read theory,
or get a wider education, outside of making things in a vacuum. Coming from
an academic school in the UK into an MA program at an art school like the
art institute, I am shocked how lacking most students are in even the most
basic writing skills. You might say that students want positive results, but
they are unlikely to get them from art schools that don't prepare them for
the fact that they'll need to know how to write grant applications,
treatments and press releases - they'll need to be able to intelligently
articulate their work. They have some classes like this at the school, of
course, but there are no requirements.

I wouldn't want to blame the teachers for this - I think they are just as
caught up in this as the students, but in my experience there is an equal
amount of students who wish that their teachers would challenge them
intellectually too.

The problem is the school, and the fact that its main focus is on profit
turning, not on education.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Jack Sargeant <email suppressed> wrote:

> education is a commodity now, students are customers, they want positive
> results leading to careers, not to be intellectually challenged.
> often young teachers have to jump through hoops and satisfy the various
> people above them and the students who are getting into debt just by being
> there
> jack
> On 27 Nov 2008, at 14:37, Jim Carlile wrote:
> In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:56:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> email suppressed writes:
> The
> > unfortunate situation appears that a lot of experiment film classes or
> > programs are mostly one person driven. Once that person retires the
> > replacement is no longer interested in experimental cinema. I first
> > noticed this when Dick Myers retired from Kent State. He use to rent at
> > least $1500 a year for film screenings. Canyon has not received one
> > film rental request since he left. The same is true for Occidental
> > College when Chick Strand left, all rentals stopped. Stan Brakhage use
> > to rental at least $5000 worth of experimental films from Canyon a
> > the requests from UCB have dwindled down considerably. This
> > is the same for the San Francisco Art Institute, School of the Art of
> > Chicago, University of Oklahoma and many more places too numerous to
> > list here.
> >
> I find this really sad and shocking-- what is it, money? Are younger
> teachers just uninterested in either experimental films or 16mm prints? It
> makes no sense to me, but maybe I'm naive. I mean, it's FILM !!!
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