From: Marc Couroux (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Sep 09 2008 - 15:23:23 PDT
Just to let you know that ubu.com today put up a bunch of Stan
VanDerBeek work, which is always hard to get a hold of.
Much else of note, as usual, including Yvonne Rainer, Standish Lawder,
Hollis Frampton, Paul Sharits, Richard Serra, Joyce Wieland (note
spelling)... a veritable treasure trove.
On 9-Sep-08, at 7:37 AM, Freya wrote:
> Heres some of the really good things about Frameworks:
> The posting about a badge for American party politics, has evolved
> into a discussion about the politics of the list, the politics of the
> experimental film scene, the relationship betwen plitics and art, and
> sometimes even about experimental film and the nature of Rules in an
> experimental film context, i.e. the postings have drifted more and
> more on-topic instead of the other way around as you might find on
> many internet lists. I suspect that if you did post about the green
> socks or whatever, then it would also quickly mutate onto a related
> topic, like people with green socks in experimental films or even the
> nature of colour and B&W in experimental film.
> Generally all the people on this list are genuinely intrested in
> experimental film to some extent, even if they are not super
> knowlegable on the subject. There are probably a few exceptions but
> there are always exceptions.
> Frameworks is generally largely left unmoderated. In fact I notice
> that Pip always stays far away from silly discussions that may happen.
> It's up to us to work it out and we usually do, because we talk about
> things and come to a greater understanding. There are guidelines about
> what Frameworks is about but there is nobody really imposing rules on
> anyone (even if some people might like to try and have a go!) ;)
> There are different people with different ideas about how Frameworks
> should be and yes, some of those people may try and impose their view
> of what Frameworks should be like or even occosianally will come here
> and tell us what Frameworks *is* all about but as someone pointed out
> we all have Freedom of speech so people are free to put that point of
> view and other people are free to put their point of view to the
> contrary or to disagree. Ultimately it's a moot point as Frameworks is
> the sum of it's parts and what Frameworks is, is down to the people
> who post here. Frameworks may be one way today and in the future it
> might be different again. Some may think there was a golden age of
> Frameworks and people may disagree about when it was completely! Maybe
> that golden age is right now even, :)
> There is quite a diversity of people on Frammeworks, okay we often try
> and make it seem like there are only two factions, the filmmakers and
> the academics, probably because it neatly leads into all kinds of
> discussions that we just love to have here! The truth is that there
> are all kinds of people here. There are all kinds of filmmakers, there
> are all kinds of academics and there are people a little into both or
> either camp, and people involved in all kinds of other things,
> festivals, distribution, organisations, labs etc. There are also
> people with different outlooks on life etc generally whoever they are.
> These different outlooks are really helpful because it gives us a rich
> tapestry of perspectives and plenty to disagree about and to come to
> greater understandings and even fresh perspectives!
> Of course, as with people, what we most hate about someone is also
> what we most love about them at the same time! It's what makes
> individuals special.
> So it is with Frameworks also, where we sometimes have discussions
> that include personal remarks or put downs of individuals. Thats a bad
> thing but the good thing about this is that Frameworks always seems
> able to deal with these things without it really getting out of hand.
> Frameworks is a great resource. How often do we see people here post
> trying to find people or prints or trying to reasearch paticular
> topics. I myself had incredible help this year in this capacity for
> which I am very grateful for. In fact how often in life have people
> genuinely helped me, or even been able to genuinely help me? People on
> this list really helped me this year, at a time when I was still very
> much struggling psychologically with the mess my head had become. I'm
> sure other people have had similar experiences whether they realised
> it at the time or not.
> Frameworks is one of the few places that people can find out more
> about experimental film, especially for those who are cut off from the
> centres of such things or from the little scenes out there or from
> academic resources, and thus have very little access to such
> I'm sure theres loads more that could be added to the list but I've
> chosen to stop there. I just wanted to mention these things as we
> sometimes get so caught up in the litle things that it stops us seeing
> the bigger picture. We can't see the wood for the trees and we can't
> see the wonderful things that are obviously there because we are too
> caught up in something else that is probably less significant.
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.