Re: RULES was Re: FrameWorks, Obama, Satantango, politics, etc.

From: Fred Davidson (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Sep 08 2008 - 14:13:12 PDT

     Oh I see. I didn't realize you were old friends. Ten years!
That's a very long time. A lot I think.

     I think you will have to write academic does not mean 'school'
lots and lots of times. But thanks for posting the definition here to
the list. The word is an adjective and a noun! Understand? It's
Chinatown Jack. It's Chinatown.

On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Cari Machet wrote:

> hello
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Jonathan Walley
> <email suppressed> wrote:
> Cari (and everyone),
> The constitution and bill or rights protects us from the government.
> We're talking about the rules of this list, which is not a
> government institution (thank god). If "rules" sounds to
> "controlling," then maybe a better way to think about it is in terms
> of expectations people have about then purpose of this list, which
> was explicitly set forth by the people who created it. It seems
> reasonable to expect that the conversations on this list are going
> to be about experimental film and not other things, though of course
> there are always grey areas, as others have rightfully pointed out.
> read what i wrote to fred and maybe you will get logic
> and understand more of the way real life actually works
> it is not compartmentalized in tinie little tight ass boxes
> organized to the death
> You're right that if you don't like the posts on this list you can
> avoid reading them, or read them and then ignore (not respond to)
> them. But this list is a community of members with widely varying
> opinions, beliefs, backgrounds, etc., and the list benefits from
> people expressing themselves, INCLUDING about whether or not certain
> topics are appropriate for the list. There is a distinction between
> voicing an opinion and controlling/censoring someone, and you're
> conflating the two here. You can disagree with someone's position,
> but immediately inflating people's complaints about political
> content to the level of control, censorship, and oppression seems
> extreme, especially when nobody on this list can control what anyone
> else writes.
> oh they try and
> i am not conflating them
> i just don't think it is productive for people to whine about crap
> when they could obviously just meander down the road
> and i hate when others are oppressive it sucks the life out of
> everyhting
> AND it is boring
> Finally, I don't get the anti-academic sentiment. As an academic
> myself, I know there are some bad professors out there. I'm sorry if
> you've had bad experiences in academia, because as a teacher of both
> film studies and production I aim to create precisely the opposite.
> But to equate academics as a group with control, lack of
> inclusiveness, being boring, is unfair. There have been some artists
> who held beliefs I'm sure you wouldn't like (you mentioned the
> futurists in a recent post - they were fascists after all), but I
> wouldn't generalize about all artists from those few. There are
> plenty of academics on this list who keep things lively.
> you don't get it - right
> i see that
> academic does not mean 'school'
> how many times do i have to write that on this list???????
> here:
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ac·a·dem·ic (ăk'ə-dĕm'ĭk)
> adj.
> Of, relating to, or characteristic of a school, especially one of
> higher learning.
> Relating to studies that are liberal or classical rather than
> technical or vocational.
> Relating to scholarly performance: a student's academic average.
> Of or belonging to a scholarly organization.
> Scholarly to the point of being unaware of the outside world. See
> synonyms at pedantic.
> Based on formal education.
> Formalistic or conventional.
> Theoretical or speculative without a practical purpose or intention.
> See synonyms at theoretical.
> Having no practical purpose or use.
> n.
> A member of an institution of higher learning.
> One who has an academic viewpoint or a scholarly background.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++
> umn some words in the english language have a broader scope than
> just one meaning
> what i meant was number 6 oh and number 4 oh and click on the link
> to 'pedantic' it applies nicely
> by the way i am somewhat a product of school - i have degrees and
> crap but i also have my own very own self
> and very own life - ya know what i mean?
> c

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